Trying to digest what has been written here... I find Wager's analogy of three to blue interesting because it leads to me think of the systematic aspects of colors vs. numbers. Colors on the whole can be reduced primary colors or vawe-lenghts of light, we can not see neither but if one mixes blue and yellow one (as in painting) one gets green, and when one mixes red, green and blue light correctly with a (computer) display one gets yellow. The point I'm after that while blueness may be intuitive, the rules of how to mix colors to get other colors are not. Same with numbers. "5" as such is no different from "xxxxx", or the number of fingers I have in both of my hands. That 2+3 is 5 is an entirely different thing. Numbers as such are one thing, and numbers as a part of a web of rules known as mathematics is another. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html