[lit-ideas] Re: Nigerian gun control as an example for us

LH:

Not at all.  Mike said that if you created draconian gun laws peace would
inevitably follow.
Assuming that the laws are not full of loopholes (which current gun control laws are), and that they are uniform across the country (which our gun control laws definitely are not) and that they are vigorously enforced, which is a laugh at this time. Laws, of course, really only exist in the enforcement.
But even with all that, I never mentioned peace. Less likelihood of being blown away by a road rage wacko, yes. Less likely to kill your own kid who's sneaking into the house at 3:00 am, yes. Less likelihood of blowing away a Halloween trick-or-treater, yes. Less likely that one of your kids will find your gun and accidentally kill a sibling or friend, yes. Less likelihood of you shooting your wife or she you, yes. Less likelihood your wife will set her purse down on a counter in a store and her pistol goes off and kills a by-stander, yes. And on and on and on and on. Oh, the anecdotes I could anecdote you with. 

Mike Geary
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You pin a lot on
Nigeria:  Logical Fallacy of Hasty Generalization?)


 Nigeria created draconian gun laws and peace did not

follow.

Lawrence

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I did read it.  It wasn't to the point of our discussion on

gun-control.

Nigeria had and has very stringent gun control laws.  The

article doesn't

counter that.  My argument was that gun control doesn't work.


the article gives reasons why gun control doesn't work in
Nigeria.  (You pin a lot on
Nigeria:  Logical Fallacy of Hasty Generalization?)


Guns will always be available from some place.  Make them

illegal and you'll

have an illegal gun trade.


Murders will always happen, but we have laws against them.
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us



I did read it.  It wasn't to the point of our discussion on

gun-control.

Nigeria had and has very stringent gun control laws.  The

article doesn't

counter that.  My argument was that gun control doesn't work.

Make all the

laws you want and guns aren't going to go away.  Some of my

notes discussed

how easy it was to get or even make a gun.  Mike thought his

Draconian

$50,000 fine for gun possession would do the trick. I used

Nigeria as an



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