Actually we did ourselves harm in the eyes of the Islamists by turning the other cheek time after time during the Reagan, Bush Sr & Clinton administrations. The Islamist ideologues have openly accused us of not having the courage to fight them. Sure we've got technology and can bomb them from 30,000 feet but we haven't the courage to fight them man to man. Whereas they aren't afraid to die. That viewpoint was expressed many times in Islamist speeches. Osama said it often. The predominant view in the Middle East is that in the first Gulf War we chickened out when Saddam drew his tanks back to Baghdad and prepared to fight us. I would have thought that our current war in Iraq would have dampened those arguments, but we still hear them, hardly changed: Look at the American papers. They have a few casualties and all they do is cry about it; whereas we have many more and our proud. They will not have the stomach for a long war. We are sure to win in the long run. There is no end to such arguments; however in practical terms our war in Iraq has done wonders toward quieting the general (man in the street) militant fervor. The Iranians believe they are smarter than the Iraqis. They think Saddam should have waited until he had a nuke before engaging in his wars of conquest. Once Iran gets its nuke, they think, then the U.S. won't dare interfere with their Islamist goals. After all, they haven't interfered with North Korea. NK was smart. Saddam was stupid. We're going to be smart. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:24 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: NRA? Are they not afraid of retaliation by the U.S.? We're not exactly unarmed. > [Original Message] > From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 2/2/2006 3:02:16 AM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: NRA? > > The founding fathers believed in national defense as have most leaders from > that time to this. We avoid war when possible, but when it is not possible, > we are not (if we are functioning as we should) afraid to take military > action. > > To act against Islamists who have sworn our destruction and now seek atomic > weapons is prudent. That the Islamists intend us ill is a not something I > made up. It is the announced teaching of Islamist leaders. It is reflected > in present day Islamist speeches. It is accepting what the Islamists not > only believe but act out as they are able. All evidence points to their > seriousness. Iranians have already spoken of places they might bomb > including Britain. They are presently being helped to build missiles with > increased range. > > I appreciate that the Iranians you know don't wish to destroy us. It is too > bad they don't run Iran. > > Lawrence > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html