[lit-ideas] Re: Mop Rumpchuck
- From: David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:21:48 -0800
On Feb 27, 2008, at 11:54 PM, John McCreery wrote:
And now, those different wars different symptoms differences?
Let's start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_shock
The photo on the right hand side identifies the soldier with the
"thousand yard stare" as someone suffering from shell-shock. Why?
Because this is how victims of war stress were identified in
Vietnam. In First World War records I have found no references to
weird stares as indicators of shell-shock.
(While we're on the page I'll mention that the "large number" of
shell-shock victims who were executed has to be a guesstimate, but
I'd put it at less than a hundred. Is this a large number?)
I haven't looked at patient records from W.W.2. or later--they're
still covered by secrecy laws, I believe--so I've only got film and
second-hand reports to go on, but I haven't found references to
peculiar gaits, spastic movements, any of the larger symptoms of
shell-shock. Tics, yes. Exaggerated responses to small stimuli,
yes. Confusion of all sorts, yes.
Other differences, from war to war, are to be found in who gets it
and when. In W.W.2., the highest psychic casualty rates were in
bomber crews. Psychiatrists reasoned that this was because bomber
crews were, like soldiers in trenches in W.W.1., exposed to intense
stress without any possibility of responding. You just got shot at
and had to endure. They tied this piece of information with a sense
that troops on the ground--and presumably in the navy (I don't know
anything about psychic casualties in submarines, but I bet there were
a good many) broke down when they had to endure too long or when
their training or morale was weak, and came up with troop rotation as
an answer. Expose the troops to only a limited amount of stress and
you reduce the psychic casualty level...was the theory. Which held
until the Six Day War, when the Israelis suffered the highest level
of psychic casualties on Day One and in their best trained units.
Perhaps this was because Day One was unusually intense, but consider
that the definitions they were working with were largely Freudian--a
minority view of First World War doctors--and you may agree that what
they were looking for were the small outward signs of repression
rather than say, the signs that a physical lesion had developed in
someone's nervous system.
Alcohol and drug abuse are now considered symptoms of PTSD. Not so,
shell-shock.
The talk I'm giving is titled, "What did shell-shock look like"? I'm
not going to tackle the question that took me 474 pages to explain--
what shell-shock actually was.
David Ritchie,
Portland, Oregon
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