I suppose you don't know how foolish you sound saying such things. No of course you don't, and you are probably abetted by left-wingers who agree with you, people who don't need evidence to believe their prejudices. How someone could live through the various steps that led up to the resumption, not even the beginning, of the war against Saddam's army, is amazing. You forgot that Saddam wasn't complying with UN resolutions. You forgot that he was shooting at our planes almost daily. You forgot that he violated his truce. You forgot that there was justification for a UN approved war except that France and the Russians promised Saddam they would prevent UN authorization. You forgot that France and Russia were in bed with Saddam as part of the oil for food UN program (which is now called a UN scandal). You forgot that everyone at the time, even Saddam's generals believed Saddam had WMDs. You forgot that Saddam coyly pretended to have WMDs. So to pretend that the war against Saddam, the war that the majority of Iraqi's applauded was an atrocity is an atrocious violation of common sense - in my humble opinion. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:23 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > We don't have large scale atrocities committed in our name. Oh, really? How many Iraqi have died in Bush's war, carried out in the name of America? > If there are atrocities of any size whatsover then someone is brought to justice. So you really think Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush will stand trial for war crimes? yrs, andreas www.andreas.com