You posted it pubicly? Hey Lawrence, you know I just didn't realise that given the indirect references to us 'dumb' leftists. And your right, insults were chucked at you that you just didn't deserve given the fact that you never even approach the insult stage when dealing with us 'insane' leftists. And I'm sure your correct and that all these deaths, all these bereaved families across the world, all the hundreds of thousands of lives that have been ended in the last few years, all the vaporisation that has gone on is a just response to the three thousand that died in New York. How dare these inferior types challenge the might of the West and if they do, what else can they expect than wholesale vaporisation; a hundred to one, a thousand to one, what is the appropriate ratio we wonder. And if for every dead terrorist another five rise in their place because of all this vaporisation, well so what; if they dare to stand, we'll just knock them down in even greater numbers. Death! Death! Death! Bring it on eh Lawrence, line them up and well shoot them down. Heck it's just a turkey shoot. The US have lost another three thousand while the Terrorists (notice the capitalisation) have lost maybe two hundred thousand, maybe three hundred thousand. Those are the kind of odds we like. (How did they ever fit so many in those caves). That's just about approaching the worth of one American life. A life of freedom, a life without tyranny, without threat of violent crime, without persecution, without drugs, without guns, without prisons, a life of plenty, of fairness and equality. In fact a life so worthwhile that it should be exported. What an idea, why don't we just go out and remove all those inferior types and put in their place something more respectable, something with a degree of freedom; why don't we just go out and create some room... Bet nobody's thought of that before. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot Simon, I posted that publicly. What difference did it make to me since I've not gotten an intelligent response from a Leftist in eons - if ever. Note how silly you are. Note that I observed that Leftists quickly attack us for wanting to defend our country. They attack us if we want to defeat our enemies. Notice that I said they never enter into a serious logical discussion and when one of us proposes a serious discussion or advances a serious argument all the Leftists can manage in response is a series of insults. I said you didn't seem to have the ability to reason or debate logically. So what do you do to refute that? You insult me -- once again proving my point - if it needed any more proving which it doesn't. Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Simon Ward Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:01 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot No doubt Lawrence's private message to Eric was sent to the list by mistake. We weren't supposed to see the deliberate misapplication of logic and the deliberate maligning of those on the list who criticised Eric's approach to fighting terrorism or likened Eric's language to that used by Neo Nazis. Somehow, though clearly we weren't meant to see it, we have all become 'the enemy' through a literary manouvre that is no doubt taught in the 'Schools of the Right' (disguised as regular viewing on FOX News) in which it is thought wise to try and ferment a civil war in addition to the many wars being fought on foreign soil. I can almost smell the friction burns as Lawrence rubs his hands together. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot Eric: Notice how quickly any expressions hostile to Militant Islam, Terrorism or any variation thereof are quickly turned back on the writer. Condemn terrorists and someone is going to condemn you in short order. You'll be a wild man, a fascist, just as bad as the terrorist or some combination thereof. The fact that Leftists can't resist doing that, can't resist attacking those interested in defending this country, is far more interesting (and potentially alarming - until we realize they are but a minority in the US - if not in Europe) than anything pertaining to the actual defense. A majority in this nation will insist that this country be defended, but we here on Lit-Ideas are a backwater in which hostile intelligences snap and bite at those who believe in fighting against our enemies. How do you account for that? I for one never get used to it. What they say strikes me as being similar to someone who does something really dumb and then does it again and then again. They draw attention to themselves. You are shocked and then amazed. You try to help them, but they don't want any help and they go off and do it again, and again, and again. It is like a blind spot or insanity. One of them wants to turn our founding fathers into a group of terrorists -- I suppose such a transformation is intended to make the present terrorists more palatable to those of us who oppose them. What sort of intelligence would assert something so loony? It is amazing. She wasn't affected by the fact that the concept didn't exist until it was applied to the French during their revolution which occurred after ours. Her head was up and locked and the throttles were fully forward. I don't think she even noticed what I said. Now you have been called a Nazi, you who live near the World Trade Center and witnessed the work of the Terrorists are now considered a Nazi for wishing them ill. Why do these Leftists so quickly attack those who oppose our enemies? Why do they in effect come to the defense of our enemies? Are we experiencing a pandemic of self-destructive behavior? Might we become infected as well? Might we one day wake up and hate America and wish to become a Terrorist's toady? And what is most alarming, we have ample evidence that the disease is incurable. But then the next question to ask is why we, who have yet to be infected, spend so much time inviting their dumb comments again, and again, and still again. Perhaps this is a form of symbiosis. If we could get them to go to an Alcoholics Anonymous for Leftists, perhaps we should seek out an Allanon. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Yost Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:22 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Max Boot Joerg: ... over here, someone with your "world-view" would easily qualify as a neo-Nazi, and be banned from public life: that's not a "clash of cultures", it's just drawing the line between civilisation and barbarianism. Eric: I let this pass too easily, so redux. Let me get this straight: in modern Germany, if someone advocated killing active terrorists, they would qualify as neo-Nazis and be banned from public life? That can't be right, can it? If that's what you really meant, it's almost too weird and fascist for a reply ... almost. If that's the case, you Germans are totally [insert Anglicism for traditional expletive] bonked. Might as well just lubricate yourself and bend over for any and all militant killer scum who threaten you. That's so sad. A whimpering end. Being someone's jailhouse punk in the name of civilization. Es ist wirklich traurig. If I misconstrued what you wrote, and it seems certain I misconstrued, you should correct me. What, exactly, in your opinion, qualifies as neo-Nazi about my world view? Or are you the Hammer seeing me as a Nagel?