[lit-ideas] Re: META: Apology from C. Bruce expected by J. L. Speranza
- From: karltrogge@xxxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:49:24 +0200
On 14-Jul-09, at 1:53 PM, Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx wrote:
I do feel like C. Bruce did insult me a couple of times over the
last couple of posts.
See the post from karltrogge@xxxxxxxx:
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Did Trogge Quote From Strawson?
Date: 13 July, 2009 4:20:20 AM GMT+02:00
He NEVER replied to my "Did Trogge quote from Strawson?"
See the posts from karltrogge@xxxxxxxx:
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Die Grenzen der Sinnlichkeit
Date: 13 July, 2009 4:11:05 AM GMT+02:00
and
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Did Trogge Quote From Strawson?
Date: 13 July, 2009 4:20:20 AM GMT+02:00
But an apology and minimal respect for the dignity of others seems a
minimum.
See the post from karltrogge@xxxxxxxx:
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Did Trogge Quote From Strawson?
Date: 13 July, 2009 4:20:20 AM GMT+02:00
C. Bruce has also justified his exceeding the 3-posts-a-day because
he says he feels that he can get criticised
in his absence
Where do you find that? You can criticize me as much (within the 3-
post-a-day limit, of course) as you feel like. Build an effigy and
kick it around for all I care. ;-)
I made no attempt to justify my excessive posting. See the post from karltrogge@xxxxxxxx
:
Subject: [lit-ideas] Note to the rest of you on list guidelines
Date: 13 July, 2009 3:43:18 AM GMT+02:00
There I say: " I can't stand in a room (which is my 'take' on these
electronic colloquia) and listen to the sort of stuff and nonsense
that is being said here about people like Plato, Kant, Strawson et al.
without responding."
This is nothing more than explanation. I never for the moment
intended it to be taken as justification. In fact I feel that I am no
more justified in exceeding the 3-post-a-day limit than you are.
... over-sensitive. So are some of us here other than him.
See the post from karltrogge@xxxxxxxx:
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Did Trogge Quote From Strawson?
Date: 13 July, 2009 4:20:20 AM GMT+02:00
Are those enough reiterations of my - sincerely expressed, both then
and now - apology? (If not, 'copy' and 'paste' as required!)
(There's a wonderful expression in German: 'die beleidigte Leberwurst
spielen' [to play the insulted liverwurst]. There's also a saying in
the Canadian province of Newfoundland: 'build a bridge and get over
it.' NOTE that I am for the moment just MENTIONING these phrases, not
USING them.)
JL, it is perfectly within your right to express whatever opinion you
like on whatever topic you choose (within the 3-post-a-day limit, of
course).
If you feel it is insulting to have your (factual) errors corrected or
your (sometimes outrageous) opinions challenged or your (occasionally
fallacious) arguments countered, well ... what can I say?
Occasionally, where these opinions are factually erroneous (e.g.
"There is no language where 'mother' doesn't start with 'm'") you will
be challenged and corrected (Let's start with these exceptions:
Hungarian: anya, Finnish: äiti, Turkish: anne, Indonesian: induk,
Japanese: haha ... ).
Occasionally, where you misrepresent the position or argument of a
philosopher ("'God' for Kant, is not a sensous concept _within our
bounds_, so, he argues, he is meaningless") you will be challenged
and corrected (here I quoted Strawson, since you brought his name in:
"[For Kant] certain ideas [such as God] for which no empirical
conditions of application can be specified... have a useful, and even
a necessary, function in the extension of empirical knowledge, when
employed in a 'regulative' [way]. [A]dvances ... in science ... Kant
holds, are assisted by, even dependent on, thinking of ... the natural
world ... as if it were the creation of a divine intelligence.")
Where your misrepresentation is particularly outrageous (Hegel), what
can one do but rhetorically throw one's hands up in the air and
expostulate?
Your ubiquitous 'just kidding's show that you are well aware that many
of your remarks are rhetorically barbed or pointed; please allow the
rest of us the occasional hyperbolic expression of disagreement or
protest as well.
Cheers,
Karl Trogge,
Hamburg
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