Dramatics notwithstanding, primordial ooze did not reproduce itself. Primordial ooze evolved very slowly over billions of years to the point where it, in a much changed form, reproduced itself. Can you enlighten us as to what Professor Flew claims Darwin thought vis-a-vis God? And while you're at it, can you explain your Schwarzeneger connection? Not being from California and having never seen a Schwarzeneger movie except in trailers and clips, I don't know what you're talking about. Don't forget, two parts to this request: Darwin, and Schwarzeneger. Andy Amago -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Dec 14, 2004 1:11 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Lit-Ideas Conversions I read your note and began laughing. The laugh sounded unlike my normal laugh. Where had I heard that laugh before? Ah yes, the predator fiddling with the instrument on his wrist while Schwarzeneger watched with slowly-dawning comprehension. You think of a bit of primordial ooze capable of reproducing itself as a prime mover. Ooo hoo hoo haa haa haa haa haa Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:05 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Lit-Ideas Conversions -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Dec 14, 2004 11:12 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Lit-Ideas Conversions It's just you, Andy. I read the dialogue between Flew and Habermas and saw no evidence of hubris. He was rather soft-spoken. In fact they both were. A.A. Good thing, then. Otherwise I would have thought Professor Flew was declaring there was a God. Instead, what was it he was declaring? L.H. Flew's issue with Darwin has nothing to do with a prime mover. It has to do with Darwin's original life form being able to reproduce. A.A. There's a difference, I take it? That difference being ... Andy Amago Lawrence Helm San Jacinto -----Original Message----- From: Andy Amago Is it me, or is there a bit of hubris in some guy declaring that he has inside information that proves there is a god? And others really caring, that's what gets me. Talk about one sheep, however exalted, within the fold saying he has *scientific evidence* that there is a god, and the rest run after him. Regarding Darwin, I'm no Darwin expert, but whether or not Darwin believed there was a prime mover is irrelevant. His theory of evolution works. Pardon my French here, but I'm ashamed to be a member of this deep thinking society called the human race. Well, gotta go, gotta find me a head sheep to tell me what's on the agenda in the universe today ... Andy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.2 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 12/14/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 12/14/2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html