In a message dated 9/2/2005 9:03:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pas@xxxxxxxx writes: They are victims of a complete lack of organization, care, and action of the government who usually gives them everything. That's the tragedy. The upshot of the storm was that it was going to flood a city that was plotted in a bowl, below sea level, at the mouth of one of the biggest rivers in the world, in a known HURRICANE area. The property loss was inevitable. No LIVES needed to be lost. Everything is replaceable except the life. That's the tragedy. Hi, Totally agree. Anyone who has ever written a procedure or planned anything has to be even more appalled than those who have not. The only thing that keeps me from completely going over the edge is that the Red Cross, Salvation Army and other disaster relief people DID meet the week before and divide up duties--it's the only reason things are even as 'not bad' as they could be. BUT--their job is to *assist* not to be the main coordinators. FEMA director should have been the one calling that meeting and planning contingency plans for all different possible scenarios. It's what you DO if you are in charge and you even KNOW something big and bad not only *might* happen but *will* happen. I'd be totally even more upset) I'd hate to be one of the 'regular' FEMA folk who probably DID want to create such procedures (cannot believe that there have not been papers written and presented at conferences on scenarios...There really is NO excuse for this ignoring of the '5 Ps'. One of my siblings, with whom I usually dance around politics and stuff as that side works for NSA and such--was quipping what must be a standard saying in the security world--Plan Prepare Execute. (I'd hate to be a project engineer with project management experience--to really KNOW how to organize and know that there should have been a plan--and to know what needed to be done...I do that sort of thing in my job, on a small scale all the time. I could have done better the week before with a half-way decent staff and the authority and it's not even my field...) To Eric--appreciate what you sent and added to it and sent it outward to Others. However, please note that Andy does have a point (even if diplomacy is not his strong suit...<g>) in that those in charge do need to be held *accountable*. It's not about 'blame-pointing', it's about responsibility and leadership and accountability. Granted, I do not know what can be done in a practical sense, but shining a light on the situation will surely assist in figuring that out...if there is incompetence, no planning skills, etc.--then let's get people in there that have them. I really did like the suggestions you sent, though. Very proactive--limiting the amount of profits that the oil companies make is such a good idea. Even before this hurricane, they were making in excess of over 50% of what normal profits were...and were acting like it was a 'shortage' that was keeping prices so high. It was not. At this point, limiting the profits does seem almost a national security issue--I know of people who are losing their jobs because they cannot afford to drive to them. (living paycheck to paycheck it's hard sometimes) The only thing that I might have added to the bill was that the money could be used to refine the crudest of all oil--apparently there is LOTS of that but no one has even started on building a refinery that would refine it...but it would keep us from ever having to drill in Alaska, keep us from being dependent on foreign oil, etc. I also liked the concept of tax breaks for fuel efficient cars and grants for mass transit sytsems. The bill was introduced in May 2005 by that Ohio Rep that Carol liked. (I always associate him with her <g>) and here is the link for anyone who wants to know more of what Eric was talking about--it is a very practical bill and one that I was not even aware of...(and I usually know lots of stuff <g>) _http://www.kucinich.us/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2314_ (http://www.kucinich.us/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2314) Having a quiet evening at home, Marlena in Missouri