At the end of the day our defenders of torture rely on a simple premise; the baddies are out to get us and there is nothing worse than death. Tell it to Socrates, Jesus, the 47 ronin. When we sink to our enemy's level, we, too, are scum. -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd. 55-13-202 Miyagaya, Nishi-ku Yokohama 220-0006, JAPAN ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html