Andy Amago wrote: "Experience can teach us what works and what doesn't. That which works over time to enhance happiness becomes a self evident truth." The problem is that you assume that happiness is a moral goal and that we know when we have reached it. That is, you assume an innate moral knowledge, an 'inner' moral law. Your problem is that you claim that knowledge of what works to enhance happiness is only alleged. A bit silly, but there you have it. Andy goes on: "I think none of the Declaration of Independence is about morality." Oh my. Talk of all human beings created equal, having inalienable Rights, including Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness, that is not moral talk? Fascinating! Just to remind you that above you talked about morality as being the enhancement of happiness so I am having trouble seeing how you square that with the claim that 'pursuit of Happiness' is not about morality. Andy concludes: "[The Declaration of Independence is] only about creating a climate that would be conducive to the greater good of white men." Ah, white man's guilt syndrome. A distinctly moral position. I am curious, how does this enhance your happiness? Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html