I agree with Walter O. that 'feel' is overused (especially by males). In a message dated 8/28/2010 12:48:30 P.M., wokshevs@xxxxxx writes: "Donal misconstrues what I'm saying. I proffer no judgement on her feelings and so her attribution of modesty to me is inappropriate. What I am doing, in perfectly legitimate philosophical terms I believe, is denying that she can "feel" what she claims to be feeling," ----- I feel I love you. versus the more direct, more informative, more relevant (all Gricean constraints): "I love you". --- "and this not because of any psychological incapacity on her part but rather in virtue of the conceptual impossibility of her purported "feeling." My claim is that it is not possible to "feel" the truth of an empirical proposition" ----- "I feel it's hot" versus the more direct, "It's hot". --- (Cfr. Geary and other moderate leftists on what a 'drama queen' should NOT feel). "or the rightness of a moral judgement. (I have explained what I take to be genuine affective aspects of these in my previous post.) Moreover, I cannot "remind" Donal what her true feelings are in this context since no "feeling" has yet been displayed or felt." ----- "I feel I have a headache" ---- "Ridiculous!" Answered Wittgenstein. "You cannot FEEL *my* headache. --- -- vide Speranza, "Wittgenstein's Dentist", Journal of Analytic Philosophy, vol. 54. Walter O.: "Donal's indignation raises an interesting matter regarding philosophical methodology. Could a philosophical argument show that what we believe to be the case about our mental states or truth claims is mistaken. "Yes, a private language is possible and I've had one all my life." Or: a philosopher claims on philosophical grounds that what I believe to be a categorical imperative is really a hypothetical imperative. Is indignation here a philosophically legitimate or fruitful response?" ---- I feel it can't. "More to the point: could she be right? Some more examples: "I feel that 2+2=4" --- Exactly. The MOST we can say is *she* felt that 2+2=*5* --- but I disagree with Walter, in finding this IMPLICATURAL, rather than truth-conditional. Strictly, we CAN say that she felt that 2 + 2 = 4. For one, I may THINK that 2 + 2 = 5, and so I can surely ascribe, wrongly, a feeling of inappropriateness to what she 'feels'. Walter: "I feel that Toronto will win the Stanley Cup next year." ----- Exactly. Note that the replacement with 'know' is just as nonsensical: "I KNOW that Toronto will win the Stanley Cup next week". It is said, of female intuition, that it is never wrong, but Donal has NOT proven female intuition, has Donal? Walter: "I feel that a paid annual holiday is a universal human right." ---- exactly. I "BELIEVE" is the right word, or to echo Lawrence Helm, "I opine" -- thinking for oneself. Walter: "I feel that freedom is a transcendental condition necessary for the possibility of moral judgement." ---- I feel I agree with you. I would distinguish with: I am FEELING I agree with you. ---- "Yesterday, I spent the day feeling bored" -- seems an otiose thing to say. Speranza--Bordighera ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html