I forgot all that. I don't know whether Barney Frank should have resigned over fixing the parking tickets. The only analogous recent case here that comes to mind concerns a heterosexual cabinet minister (a high-ranking one) and (of course) a woman, and a rather more serious intervention in the political process than fixing parking tickets -- in the end, after a series of scandals and a second major "blunder", he resigned. And quite right too. There's also the current case of the immigration judges who charged an illegal immigrant who'd worked for them both and was the lover of one with blackmail; she was found not guilty of blackmailing the male judge so his name has been released. He is, basically, ruined given the revelations in the case. herewith a non-salacious account, you can find the "what he said in an email" by Googling immigration judge Khan (it isn't that salacious, but you'll see what our tabloids are like). http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1884862,00.html (Oh I forgot, these people are all heterosexuals. We have gay and lesbian politicians etc., of course, but they've been models of boring probity lately, it would seem. I take it your heterosexual pols have too, or you'd have given an instance of their behaviour rather than dredging up a case from 1990.) Then it > was spun to look like a gay rights issue, I must look it up to see whether I agree. If it was, Eric, that might be because gays do lack rights that non-gays have, and the US is not that great at addressing the issue; or it could be because of the virulence of homophobia in certain places in the US; or because for whatever reason, movie stars etc. there tend not to come out as gay in the way ours do. Incidentally I read that, as Irene says, these pages were not under age (they were not however that much over it, so though there's no legal problem, there certainly is a problem; the one whose IM has been published is, I read, 16) and that he waited before they'd stopped being pages before he hit on them. So it begins to look as though the people who worked with him, covered this up, warned some would be pages about him but not others (because warning the others would have alerted people) are the really guilty ones. Judy Evans, Cardiff ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html