Actually, Lawrence, you have put it down to just ideology. Interesting then that just as documents are leaked in the US point towards Iraq as a 'recruiting sergeant' for muslim extremism, that your views change. Coincidence of course. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Ideology vs Experience No, no, I couldn't have said it's exclusively ideology. You misunderstood. It could not exist without this particular ideology, but like any ideology it is one which one lives with, which answers the daily needs, which explains what is going on about one. The nature of Sayyid Qutb's writings is that he wrote about these things; so the believer will say much as a Marxist would say, see, this is what he said and he was right. You can see the evidence. You can see what we need to do. You can see how we need to think about these things. Isn't that what you do, Simon? Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Simon Ward Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:44 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Ideology vs Experience Seems you're in revisionist mode then Lawrence. Shame really. The issue, Lawrence is the manner in which moderates become extremist, not with how many moderates there might be. You have consistently said that it's exclusively down to ideology, which of course denies the possibility that the Iraq war (to take one example) might be pushing moderates towards the extremists. Now, however, you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Forgetting Qutb for the moment, deal with the simple question: Do moderate mulsims react to their perceptions and experiences of western action in the world? Simon