Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 4:42:55 PM, Stephen Straker wrote: SS> All things considered, I think Moore's antipathy to Bush is more SS> reality-based than the right-wing animosity towards Clinton was. And the circumstances are tellingly different. There *was* a right-wing mid-West billionaire who was out to get Clinton, there was in effect a conspiracy against him. There was an attempt to get the Clintons and others re Whitewater, and at least one person went to jail (wrongly) because of that (because of the Starr Chamber). Etc.. SS> I think SS> also the "people" agree. Clinton went steadily up in the polls (up into SS> the 60s I think) while the sex-crazed Republicans sought impeachment and SS> now it seems that Bush is sliding down (40s and below?). Not, I imagine, because people liked the way he treated Lewinski (I thought the way other women, who complained, was treated was trashy too), but because he is a genuinely appealing person whose interest in people is real (people who've met him, who were not US voters or whose vote wa already secure, tell me) and because he did not preside over an impoverishment of the US, as Bush has. SS> (This reminds me of one of the very best pieces of polemic written in SS> the last decade -- Gore Vidal on Ken Starr -- which is no longer SS> available on-line so I am going to send it as a separate postin just a SS> minute. Thank you for posting that, Stephen did you know the American Family Association have dirty minds? Gu>The company's fortunes have been transformed since the introduction Gu>of the provocative and eye-catching fcuk logo in 1997. Beforehand, Gu>French Con nection had been making profits of £6m a year, but the Gu>company's performance has improved steadily to reach £39m last Gu>year, partly fuelled by sales around the world. GU> The initials had been used previously within the company as an GU> abbreviation when sending faxes to the Hong Kong office, but GU> advertising executive Trevor Beattie seized on it to create the GU> "fcuk fashion" slogan. (cut) Tg>Across the Atlantic, however, complaints from the American Family Tg>Association led to a ban on some fcuk branded clothes in US stores. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1250438,00.html Judy mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html