[lit-ideas] Re: Hamas and Israel's "Right to Exist"
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:33:49 -0400
There are two sides to every issue, and people do support their own side,
unless you can offer examples of when you sided with Omar's point of view.
I think evidence of the virulent anti-Semitism might be in order.
Sometimes I agree with Omar, as when he posted that article on the U.S.
economy as founded in military Keynesianism, sometimes I don't. I think
it's a no brainer that if you start a war, you're not going to get peace,
but a lot of people don't think that way. As far as posting reasons not to
invade Iran, with nuclear weapons no less, it makes no sense to attack a
country and look only at what one thinks will be the happy outcomes. Do
you so hate the U.S. that you would encourage such a thing? We didn't
learn enough in Iraq that we have to do it all over again only much worse?
> [Original Message]
> From: Steven G. Cameron <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 5/13/2006 4:49:28 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hamas and Israel's "Right to Exist"
>
>
> Simon Ward wrote:
>
> > "As a virulent anti-semite, you're quite good at cloaking
> > your prejudice in the appearance of reasonableness."
>
> **Not this time, Simon, not so quickly. My apologies, Stan, for entering
> your portion of this debate. You are quite capable of defending yourself
> -- your writings and eloquence are superior to mine -- but portions of
> this tack are difficult to endure (in the face of Irene's
> unsophisticated (lack of) understanding coupled with Omar's constant
> diatribes against Jewish (yeah, not just Israeli) behaviour). Earlier
> this or last week, there was his jibe at Jews having a poor sense of
> humor. On this list, no one seems to comb the press quite so carefully
> for any and all negative aspects of Jews, Jewry, or Israelis -- as does
> Omar. Whether or not an admitted anti-Semite, his attitude is revealed
> by his own writings and postings -- it surely betrays an honest lack of
> evenhandedness and objectivity with regard to Judaism. Yes, anti-Israeli
> is not always anti-Semitism -- though it may be carefully camouflaged.
>
> **My own, absolute disagreement with the current and past few Israeli
> administrations, however, does in no way translate to the type of
> anti-Semitism evinced ( & expressed) by Omar. Because he's frequently
> the minority pro-arab voice on our list, his viewpoint is often accepted
> without criticism. Perhaps many of us tire of debating the same points
> with him -- that also have a tendency toward personal attacks rather
> than concentrating on the message -- as they preferably should. A number
> of us seem to also have avoided the debate perhaps because of his, mine,
> and a few other's anti-Bush rhetoric (which we do agree with) -- cannot
> be sure.
>
> **In any case, this is it for me, for a while. Greatly over extended
> the list's posting limit -- as well as my own personal energy ---
> required for this kind of participation. Back to lurking...
>
> TC,
>
> /Steve Cameron, NJ
>
> >
> > Ah, the get out clause.
> >
> > Any criticism of Isreal, implied or otherwise, can always be countered
> > with a charge of anti-semitism.
> >
> > Perhaps there should be an internet law alike to Godwin's covering it.
> >
> > Simon Ward
> > Dartmoor
> >
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