[lit-ideas] Re: Guess - Answer
- From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:02:24 +0100
Donal: " ... many of the positions/jobs that we might take to be
middle-class and bourgeois (e.g. Professor, doctor, lawyer) are
positions/jobs that put us in the proletariat: it is ownership of the means
of production that, for the Marxist, puts one in the 'capitalist' or
non-proletarian class (the non-owning managers who act on behalf of the
owners are also in the proletariat)."
Ownership of the means of production has become less well defined since Marx
was writing. Whilst there is still a capital owning class that lives off its
invested wealth, share ownership has become wide spread thus giving people a
stake in the operations of the market. This can be viewed in a number of
ways, but the general sense is that capital has seen fit to use part of the
surplus generated through production to ensure that labour in the home
market (or in all modern economies given globalisation) is satified with its
lot. Note that the surplus is not shared in less well developed countries
which also happen to be the source of cheap labour.
Marx was keen on the notion that people and ideas are a product of their
economic experience (or experience generally). Given that, he wouldn't be
that surprised to see that a hundred and fifty years hence he was plain
wrong about some things, but right about others.
Another notion is that what Marx said is known. He wrote about possible
revolution on the basis of economic class, that came to pass and people have
learned from it. So while it might not exactly be a rule, it's probably true
that less exploitation brings with it the smaller chance of revolution.
Capitalists aren't idiots.
Asimov's Foundation novels are an interesting comparison. Seldon built the
Foundation on the back of complicated projections about what would happen to
the Galaxy in the years ahead. What the Foundation didn't do was publicise
those predictions. Given that Marx published Capital and various other
predictive works we shouldn't be suprised if people read these books and
were forewarned.
Simon
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