I should have added that I've read Bernstein (though not for a while), I suspect you don't actually understand where he's coming from when he writes (was coming from when he wrote _The Restructuring of Social and Political Theory_, _Beyond Objectivism and Relativism_, etc.). (I had to stop reading him in my later years in academia, so I really need to say, 'etc.' applies to his work up to the late eighties, but the cast list for _Pragmatism, Critique, Judgment: Essays for Richard J. Bernstein_ suggests he hasn't changed that much. -- anyone here know?) Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Greater love hath no man than . . . I agree that brainwashing has occurred, but I think it has occurred from a different standpoint than the one you suggest. Yesterday I quoted Bernstein to say, ". . . Marxism, Existentialism, Pragmatism, and Analytic Philosophy . . . it was the common negative stance of contemporary philosophers that most forcefully struck me." And now this "common negative stance" is considered the norm and if you hark back to an earlier less negative time, a time in which positive virtues such as honor, duty, country were worth dying for, well you are "of the military types . . . so brainwashed that they only think . . . of things to die for . . ."