Lawrence, I read Hitch's piece when it was first published. I know the context. Your reply is not a response. "Leftists" do not hate democracy unless "leftist" is defined as "someone on the Left who hates democracy". (Yes, I am aware that there are those on the left who "hate democracy" in that they are personally or politically authoritarian. Some of those people believe in democracy [qua political institution or qua the people's voice] and will fight to install or preserve it, yet, it might not be safe in their hands.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Five Years Ago "Don't. Be. Silly." An article by Christopher Hitchens, Sept 4, 2002 who had a debate with Martin Amis in the Guardian Unlimited, mostly about what sort of Leftists the two of them were in the past. At the end he writes, "This whole exchange between us comes at an unsettling time for me, because I think that a huge section of the 'left' has fatally condemned itself by flirting with, or actually succumbing to, a creepy concept of 'moral equivalence' between the United States and its (actually our) enemies -- whether Christian Orthodox thugs in the Balkans or Islamic fascists in Afghanistan or national socialists in Mesopotamia. Talk about wincing -- I can scarcely bear to read the drivel and bad faith that is now emitted by some of my former comrades. . . ." Hitchens article was written in 2002. Moral equivalence is but one mode of the Leftist attack against Liberal Democracy. Finding the U.S. the root cause for all the ills in the Middle East is another. Embracing conspiracy theories which put Israel or the U.S. as the perpetrators and not merely the cause of various Islamist terrorist attacks is a third. For example, who carried out the 9/11 attack? Was it Al Quaeda? Are you sure? Maybe it was the CIA or the Mossad. Those who are inclined to blame the U.S. and Israel for Middle-Eastern evils will not dismiss such conspiracy theories out of hand. Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judith Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:28 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Five Years Ago LH>Leftists too hate democracy don't be silly Judy Evans, Cardiff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release Date: 21/08/2006