> civilization, by any definition, is anywhere from difficult > to impossible without safety and stability. Paint those pretty pictures > and they will be destroyed or hidden until the fighting stops. This is not > to be confused with pacifism. That's something else. > No, by Merriam Webster's definition. Civilization, most notably #3: 1 a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained b : the culture characteristic of a particular time or place 2 : the process of becoming civilized 3 a : refinement of thought, manners, or taste b : a situation of urban comfort One cannot be refined if one is dodging something or is in fear for one's life. Remember the climate here after 9/11. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html