[lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago

AA: "Regarding Irene being "troubled", in case you haven't noticed, Irene's
level of insight into motivations and underlying intentions is pretty
astute."

If you don't say so yourself!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago


> Hang on to your bra, babe.  Andy's not at all impressed with your venom.
> If you didn't like his jokes, that's fine.  One can't please all the
people
> all the time, nor does one want to or intend to.  Especially those who
> can't be pleased.  Go back to those who share your opinions and be happy.
> Regarding Irene being "troubled", in case you haven't noticed, Irene's
> level of insight into motivations and underlying intentions is pretty
> astute.  She's been successfully married forever to a man who's crazy
about
> her and is gainfully employed.  Being Andy was fun, being Irene is less
> fun.  Real life people are as boring as the day is long (I'll bet you and
> everybody else yuk it up all day long).  If I were to kid around like this
> on my day job I'd either be fired or given more work to do.  Likewise, if
I
> were so successful at being a man, if that's what you think I want to be,
I
> would never have been caught.  And if I enjoyed being a man, if that's
what
> you think I enjoyed being, it's because I was an androgynous man, on
> electronic paper, with all the same convictions I always have.  Just a
> different style of presentation.  And I even have a Pooh fleece shirt,
> pink, but I've never read the books.  If I did, I might even find patterns
> or other cultural elements in them, but I don't read Pooh books.  Thanks,
> Teemu, for your support, and fie on thee, Carol.  And don't forget to
reset
> that block.
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 12/12/2005 12:03:19 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> >
> > Imerago wrote:
> > >  Irene is so boring.
> >
> > ck: I read this confessional discussion in one lump, having been
> preoccupied
> > with term papers and xmas commerce for the week. A number of times
> Imerago
> > voices her delight in Andy, and how she enjoyed "being" him. The old
> Irene
> > assumes that we all shared her overall positive opinion of Andy.
> >
> > Not I. Andy's myriad ignorant, belligerant, and downright asinine posts
> > caused me to block him from my e-mail within a few weeks of his
> appearance
> > on this list. As Judy commented, there was no arguing with "Andy." More,
> no
> > discussion allowed. Andy's obnoxiousness seemed quite traditionally male
> (in
> > the bad sense) to me--that is, unsubstantiated rhetorical assertions
> phrased
> > and presented as fact. Andy responded to queries as if they were
attacks,
> > which often ended whatever discussion might have been. My reaction to
him
> > codified into rolling eyeballs and gritted teeth--all expressions I
> exercise
> > aplenty in the real world, and so have no desire to hone in cyberspace.
> >
> > But Animago's male rhetoric, as a character (or Irene's female rhetoric,
> as
> > another character) may be worth more than a glance--the possibility of
> > pathology aside, that is. Irene qua Irene, in her confession, resorted
to
> > typically female writing patterns, such as softening her statements with
> a
> > batch of qualifiers of the could be, perhaps, in my opinion vein. (Even
> > Adolf Eichmann might have seemed human if a woman, writing
traditionally,
> > had translated his utterances.) When Andy took hold of the keyboard,
> idiocy
> > ensued more often than not.
> >
> > Witness Andy's recent response to his ignorance of an allusion to
Eeyore.
> > Faced with a topic about which he knew nothing, Andy derided that topic
> as
> > unimportant, and even implied derision towards the list for knowing
about
> > this character. We on this list are not culturally literate, implies the
> > pugnacious ignoramus called Andy that Irene loves being; rather, we're
> all
> > Pooh lovers. What's to say to that nasty swipe?
> >
> > Irene seems to have a certain facility in creating character and
> dialogue.
> > Unfortunately, she created an obnoxious character in Andy, though
> > consistently so. Why limit this facility to a mere internet listserv
when
> > others, worldwide, could be exposed to The Amazing Amago's Fearful
> Wisdom?
> > Go forth, Amagoo!
> >
> > Andy's dubious existence is just one more bad joke on his part. It's sad
> > that Irene enjoys being him, but it's even sadder that this list allowed
> a
> > jerk like Andy to completely dominate it, drowning others' posts in
> pounds
> > of half-assed and insulting slasher verbiage.
> >
> > For the record, I oppose people creating false identities on listservs.
> We
> > have enough trouble trying to be genuine nowadays. But my expectations
of
> > Iremago were and are low indeed.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Carol K.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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