Yes, Andy sounded quite stereotypically male, despite a somewhat ambigious name. What the post below exhibits is virulent hatred of men, or of what men are imagined to be, since C.K.'s typical arrogant male turns out to be a product of the imagination of another woman who is also I would venture to guess a bit troubled. C.K. doesn't appear to see the irony of the horrible dominator and the resentful dominee turning out to have been women both, one playing a "man'" and another seemingly wishing that she could. For my part, I have found Andy somewhat arrogant but mildly interesting, though not terribly so. He sounded more relaxed and had more sense of humour than Irene as I remember her of old. Surely nobody who has a shred of objectivity could suggest that Irene's posts as herself on the Phil-Lit were more sensitive or deserving of sympathy. That C.K. would suggest this says more about C.K. than about Andy or Irene. O.K. Re: FW: Re: Iremago Imerago wrote: > Irene is so boring. ck: I read this confessional discussion in one lump, having been preoccupied with term papers and xmas commerce for the week. A number of times Imerago voices her delight in Andy, and how she enjoyed "being" him. The old Irene assumes that we all shared her overall positive opinion of Andy. Not I. Andy's myriad ignorant, belligerant, and downright asinine posts caused me to block him from my e-mail within a few weeks of his appearance on this list. As Judy commented, there was no arguing with "Andy." More, no discussion allowed. Andy's obnoxiousness seemed quite traditionally male (in the bad sense) to me--that is, unsubstantiated rhetorical assertions phrased and presented as fact. Andy responded to queries as if they were attacks, which often ended whatever discussion might have been. My reaction to him codified into rolling eyeballs and gritted teeth--all expressions I exercise aplenty in the real world, and so have no desire to hone in cyberspace. But Animago's male rhetoric, as a character (or Irene's female rhetoric, as another character) may be worth more than a glance--the possibility of pathology aside, that is. Irene qua Irene, in her confession, resorted to typically female writing patterns, such as softening her statements with a batch of qualifiers of the could be, perhaps, in my opinion vein. (Even Adolf Eichmann might have seemed human if a woman, writing traditionally, had translated his utterances.) When Andy took hold of the keyboard, idiocy ensued more often than not. Witness Andy's recent response to his ignorance of an allusion to Eeyore. Faced with a topic about which he knew nothing, Andy derided that topic as unimportant, and even implied derision towards the list for knowing about this character. We on this list are not culturally literate, implies the pugnacious ignoramus called Andy that Irene loves being; rather, we're all Pooh lovers. What's to say to that nasty swipe? Irene seems to have a certain facility in creating character and dialogue. Unfortunately, she created an obnoxious character in Andy, though consistently so. Why limit this facility to a mere internet listserv when others, worldwide, could be exposed to The Amazing Amago's Fearful Wisdom? Go forth, Amagoo! Andy's dubious existence is just one more bad joke on his part. It's sad that Irene enjoys being him, but it's even sadder that this list allowed a jerk like Andy to completely dominate it, drowning others' posts in pounds of half-assed and insulting slasher verbiage. For the record, I oppose people creating false identities on listservs. We have enough trouble trying to be genuine nowadays. But my expectations of Iremago were and are low indeed. Sincerely, Carol K. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html