[lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
- From: "Stan Spiegel" <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:17:15 -0500
AA: I wasn't bragging, just saying my insights
are pretty astute, which in fact they are. I can't talk to you about
philosophy, I don't write poetry, I don't do or know lots of things. But
insights I do know about.
As insightful as my hero George W., who once said: "Everyone's entitled to
my own opinion."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 12/12/2005 9:37:39 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> >
> > It must be nice to brag about yourself and pretend it's someone else
doing
> > it. Even (or especially) when there's no basis for it. Why, Irene,
you're
> > still swaggering like a guy!
> >
>
>
> Well gee, thanks, Stan. I refer you again to my phil lit posts. I do
> know what I'm talking about. I wasn't bragging, just saying my insights
> are pretty astute, which in fact they are. I can't talk to you about
> philosophy, I don't write poetry, I don't do or know lots of things. But
> insights I do know about.
>
>
> Irene
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:31 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> >
> >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: 12/12/2005 9:14:11 AM
> > > > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> > > >
> > > > AA: "Regarding Irene being "troubled", in case you haven't noticed,
> > > Irene's
> > > > level of insight into motivations and underlying intentions is
pretty
> > > > astute."
> > > >
> > > > If you don't say so yourself!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I do say so myself. If anyone wants to talk about it, that's fine
with
> me
> > > (remember phil lit?). In the meantime, I burned it out, so I'm less
> > > interested in it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Irene
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:43 AM
> > > > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hang on to your bra, babe. Andy's not at all impressed with your
> > venom.
> > > > > If you didn't like his jokes, that's fine. One can't please all
the
> > > > people
> > > > > all the time, nor does one want to or intend to. Especially those
> who
> > > > > can't be pleased. Go back to those who share your opinions and be
> > > happy.
> > > > > Regarding Irene being "troubled", in case you haven't noticed,
> Irene's
> > > > > level of insight into motivations and underlying intentions is
> pretty
> > > > > astute. She's been successfully married forever to a man who's
> crazy
> > > > about
> > > > > her and is gainfully employed. Being Andy was fun, being Irene is
> > less
> > > > > fun. Real life people are as boring as the day is long (I'll bet
> you
> > > and
> > > > > everybody else yuk it up all day long). If I were to kid around
> like
> > > this
> > > > > on my day job I'd either be fired or given more work to do.
> Likewise,
> > > if
> > > > I
> > > > > were so successful at being a man, if that's what you think I want
> to
> > > be,
> > > > I
> > > > > would never have been caught. And if I enjoyed being a man, if
> that's
> > > > what
> > > > > you think I enjoyed being, it's because I was an androgynous man,
on
> > > > > electronic paper, with all the same convictions I always have.
> Just a
> > > > > different style of presentation. And I even have a Pooh fleece
> shirt,
> > > > > pink, but I've never read the books. If I did, I might even find
> > > patterns
> > > > > or other cultural elements in them, but I don't read Pooh books.
> > > Thanks,
> > > > > Teemu, for your support, and fie on thee, Carol. And don't forget
> to
> > > > reset
> > > > > that block.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Date: 12/12/2005 12:03:19 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Imerago wrote:
> > > > > > > Irene is so boring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ck: I read this confessional discussion in one lump, having been
> > > > > preoccupied
> > > > > > with term papers and xmas commerce for the week. A number of
times
> > > > > Imerago
> > > > > > voices her delight in Andy, and how she enjoyed "being" him. The
> old
> > > > > Irene
> > > > > > assumes that we all shared her overall positive opinion of Andy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not I. Andy's myriad ignorant, belligerant, and downright
asinine
> > > posts
> > > > > > caused me to block him from my e-mail within a few weeks of his
> > > > > appearance
> > > > > > on this list. As Judy commented, there was no arguing with
"Andy."
> > > More,
> > > > > no
> > > > > > discussion allowed. Andy's obnoxiousness seemed quite
> traditionally
> > > male
> > > > > (in
> > > > > > the bad sense) to me--that is, unsubstantiated rhetorical
> assertions
> > > > > phrased
> > > > > > and presented as fact. Andy responded to queries as if they were
> > > > attacks,
> > > > > > which often ended whatever discussion might have been. My
reaction
> > to
> > > > him
> > > > > > codified into rolling eyeballs and gritted teeth--all
expressions
> I
> > > > > exercise
> > > > > > aplenty in the real world, and so have no desire to hone in
> > > cyberspace.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Animago's male rhetoric, as a character (or Irene's female
> > > rhetoric,
> > > > > as
> > > > > > another character) may be worth more than a glance--the
> possibility
> > of
> > > > > > pathology aside, that is. Irene qua Irene, in her confession,
> > resorted
> > > > to
> > > > > > typically female writing patterns, such as softening her
> statements
> > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > batch of qualifiers of the could be, perhaps, in my opinion
vein.
> > > (Even
> > > > > > Adolf Eichmann might have seemed human if a woman, writing
> > > > traditionally,
> > > > > > had translated his utterances.) When Andy took hold of the
> keyboard,
> > > > > idiocy
> > > > > > ensued more often than not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Witness Andy's recent response to his ignorance of an allusion
to
> > > > Eeyore.
> > > > > > Faced with a topic about which he knew nothing, Andy derided
that
> > > topic
> > > > > as
> > > > > > unimportant, and even implied derision towards the list for
> knowing
> > > > about
> > > > > > this character. We on this list are not culturally literate,
> implies
> > > the
> > > > > > pugnacious ignoramus called Andy that Irene loves being; rather,
> > we're
> > > > > all
> > > > > > Pooh lovers. What's to say to that nasty swipe?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Irene seems to have a certain facility in creating character and
> > > > > dialogue.
> > > > > > Unfortunately, she created an obnoxious character in Andy,
though
> > > > > > consistently so. Why limit this facility to a mere internet
> listserv
> > > > when
> > > > > > others, worldwide, could be exposed to The Amazing Amago's
Fearful
> > > > > Wisdom?
> > > > > > Go forth, Amagoo!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy's dubious existence is just one more bad joke on his part.
> It's
> > > sad
> > > > > > that Irene enjoys being him, but it's even sadder that this list
> > > allowed
> > > > > a
> > > > > > jerk like Andy to completely dominate it, drowning others' posts
> in
> > > > > pounds
> > > > > > of half-assed and insulting slasher verbiage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the record, I oppose people creating false identities on
> > > listservs.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > have enough trouble trying to be genuine nowadays. But my
> > expectations
> > > > of
> > > > > > Iremago were and are low indeed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Carol K.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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