[lit-ideas] Re: 'Eternal Sunshine' drug selectively erases memories

And how does that, then, make it "torture"?

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, <wokshevs@xxxxxx> wrote:

> Quoting Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > JK:
> > >>I hate to say it because cynic I am not (usually) -- but w/out your
> > memories you wouldn't know you lacked your memories.<<
>
>
> You don't need to know. Indeed, you *must* not know. That's precisely the
> point
> for the torturer.
>
> Not like:
>
> 'Orenz: "Of course it hurts. The point is not *minding* that it hurts."
>
> Walter O.
> Classic Movies Forever
>
>
>
> >
> > Makes me think of "Blade Runner", of implanted memories to make the
> > replicants "real".  I rate "Blade Runner" as one of the very best movies
> I've
> > seen, on a par with "The Pawnbroker".  In "Blade Runner" the replicants
> come
> > off as more 'human' than any of the humans.  God, I love it.
> >
> > My problem is, of course, short-term memory.  Sometimes I think I'm
> living
> > the film "Memento" -- an OK film.  But so what?  We're all just trying to
> > interpret the experiences we can remember, which after a full day of
> > claptrapcluttermutter isn't much to work with.  Best to just let it all
> wash
> > out to sea.  Wait like the sand crabs for the tide to come in and see
> what it
> > brings this time.
> >
> > The Greeks believed, or so I believe they believed, that one had to drink
> of
> > the river Lethe before entering the netherworld in order to forget their
> > previous existence.  That makes sense to me.  As a kid I used to wonder
> about
> > heaven and how I would feel about not having a body anymore.  I've always
> > thought my body was me.  I couldn't imagine me without it. What good is
> > existing without the senses?  God would have to wipe the slate clean or
> else
> > he'd have a lot of homesick souls moping about heaven all day.
> >
> > My 2 cents.
> >
> > Mike Geary
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Julie Krueger
> >   To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >   Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:12 AM
> >   Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: 'Eternal Sunshine' drug selectively erases
> > memories
> >
> >
> >   I hate to say it because cynic I am not (usually) -- but w/out your
> > memories you wouldn't know you lacked your memories.
> >
> >
> >   On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >     "Eternal Sunshine" refers to the movie, of course.
> >
> >     One of the comments at the bottom of the page mentions potential uses
> of
> > a memory-cleansing drug.   Torturers could make you forget that you were
> > tortured, for instance.   An even worse scenario occurred to me.
> Imagine a
> > torturer threatening you with this drug -- threatening to wipe your
> memory
> > clean.  Wouldn't you tell them everything you know (and even things you
> don't
> > know) to hang on to your memories of your childhood, your parents, your
> > children, your first kiss...   Who would you be without your memories?
> >
> >
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/brain/dn15025-eternal-sunshine-drug-selectively-erases-memories.html
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