palma@xxxxxxxx wrote: "mr enns is joking." No, he is not. palma@xxxxxxxx continues: "he or she knows all too well that whatever else is the case somebody (adam or neanderthal man) started naming some stuff (fire?)" Apparently Duke University is not the university it use to be. I remind palma@xxxxxxxx that my original claim involved things like thoughts, meaning and ideas. Of course, 'naming some stuff' like fire is not nearly as simple as palma@xxxxxxxx would lead us to believe. See here Wittgenstein on Augustine on learning a language. Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html