Andreas Ramos: "But to argue that he can say whatever he wants yet not act upon it, and we should honor that?" Again, nonsense. This is an email list and none, or perhaps only a few, know each other in any meaningful way. There is the danger of developing a sort of misplaced concreteness to these relationships so that one has the illusion that we actually know each other well enough to make personal comments. We don't, so we shouldn't. If we held that people had to live according to what they say, 'Andy' would have been sent packing. This is only an email list and the rules of concrete relationships don't apply because the full range of social interactions is lacking. We should expect each other to be, at the very least, civil and follow the written and unwritten rules of the list. Making abusive personal references threatens the civility of this list. Perhaps some people are willing to sacrifice civility for ideology but I am not. Civility is the ground of all political and social discourse and to threaten it is to undermine the discourse itself. In short, if two or three people agree that civility can be dispensed with for some higher good, then this list cannot function as it was intended. Sadly, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html