Paul I agree. I had no idea of this till I looked it up (I did though have a shrewd suspicion that "violent" covered rather a lot of things...) > I guess the definition of "homicide" might include people accidentally run > over by a bus. funny you should say that :) *outrageously*, "murder" here is simply "murder" (no "murder one/two") and includes acts where there was no intent to kill (that's being changed). >In the process of breaking my fall, I accidentally >broke a guy's tail-light with my a shopping bag full of bottles I had in my >hand. Yeah violent crime (seriously, that could end up in these stats as of course they emerge from a survey and include acts the police don't classify as crimes -- unless they're being exceptionally bloody-minded...) >Maybe if the cops had some murders to investigate they > wouldn't harass law-abiding citizens. Good point; ours don't have any either.... ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html