[lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell you so?

 
<<And  no, I don't think mace or pepper spray is worth buying or trying to 
use. The  stuff is worse than worthless--it's false protection, which is  
harmful.>> 
I'm curious as to why you say  that? 
I don't worry about drivers of  cars.....particularly.....I worry more about 
the people I pass on the streets I  walk.  I am perfectly able to run and 
fairly strong for my size (5' 2", 105  pounds); can lift the back of my riding 
mower and push it forward to get it  unstuck from mud.  But I have had bad 
experiences with aggressive males and  I would likely not be a physical match 
for 
them. 
I don't really give this a great deal  of thought ....it's just the thread 
led to .... 
Julie Krueger 



========Original  Message========     Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell you 
so?  Date: 5/30/06 9:08:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time  From: 
_carolkir@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:carolkir@xxxxxxxx)   To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
(mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)   Sent on:    
>My primary concern right now, though, is that I am temporarily  
>transportationless  and do a great deal of walking.

ck: Try your best to walk only  during the day, and stay on busy streets--one 
with other pedestrians.   Walk quickly and speed up if any cars slow down 
near you. I do suggest  you take a quickie self-defense-for-women class, the 
type 
they give at YMCAs,  as soon as possible. If nothing else, learn how to give 
a quick kick in the  right place. If you're unable to run, consider getting a 
gun for  self-protection on your walks, but only if you're willing to take 
lessons. A  gun toter who can't use a gun properly is no safer than a person 
with 
a thumb  on that dumb mace can.  And no, I don't think mace or pepper spray  
is worth buying or trying to use. The stuff is worse than worthless--it's  
false protection, which is harmful.
pax,
xena
 
 
 
 
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From:  _JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxxx (mailto:JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx)  
To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)  
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell  you so?





If it's Krav Maga with a shiv in your  heel when out and a 12-gauge at home
huh?  Kray Maga?  Shiv?  Is a 12-gauge a pistol or a  rifle?
 
I used to have a large very property protective dog - I never bothered to  
lock my doors.  He bit 3 different people (including myself) and had to  be put 
down.
 
I live across the street from a transitional neighborhood which is  
essentially filled with drugs, alcohol, and guns.  Cops run through there  a 
dozen 
times a day.  On my side of the street are 4 very respectable  middle-class 
homes 
(of which one is mine).  The land across the street  used to be open field I 
rode gottland ponies through.  Then some shmuck  decided to put up dozens of 
the most poorly and cheaply built apartments  possible.   I have deadbolts on 
my 
doors, but the window locks are  not very secure -- can be pushed with a 
stick.  I've had bikes and trash  cans stolen from my driveway right up against 
the garage door.  No one  has attempted to break in yet.  But....
 
My primary concern right now, though, is that I am temporarily  
transportationless  and do a great deal of walking.  Past some not  too great 
neighborhoods.  Hence my thought of portable mace or pepper  spray.  How hard 
can it be to 
point the nozzle in the right  direction?   And how far away does one have to 
be for it to take  effect, giving the macer or pepper-sprayer time to run to a 
place of  safety?  I've also thought about guns that shoot rubber bullets.
 
Julie Krueger
w/ bigger problems than self-protection at the  moment


========Original  Message========     Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell you 
so?  Date: 5/30/06 8:06:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time  From: 
_carolkir@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:carolkir@xxxxxxxx)   To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
(mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)   Sent on:     
Julie wrote:
 >I prefer either mace or pepper spray, depending on which does  least 
lasting >damage (something I keep putting off investigating).

ck: Don't use either of these unless you're pretty adept  at some form of the 
martial arts.  You have to get close to your  attacker for the sprays to be 
helpful, and if you're that close, you're in  serious jeopardy--in a position 
of self-defense, you vs. your  attacker. Disabling the attacker is your best 
bet. Or, if  you're a very fast runner, that's an option.
 
 Holding a can of mace (illegal most places; it's  really pepper spray they 
talk about) may make you feel more protected  than you actually are. People who 
don't know self-defense tactics often  mistakenly point the nozzle at 
themselves. (Same as with  guns.)  
 
I think a woman needs to figure out what she feels  comfortable with, 
self-defensively, and follow through with the plan. If  it's Krav Maga with a 
shiv in 
your heel when out and a 12-gauge at home,  that's what it's gotta be. 
Personally, I don't want guns in my house, but  I'm now living in such a 
dangerous 
area (the neighborhood and the town) that  I'm sick of it all. 
 
Unfortunately, loads of the gunshot deaths in these parts  are drive-by 
shootings (not necessarily gang-on-gang!), and stupid  scattershot gunplay, for 
the 
hell of it. Carjackings aren't uncommon,  though, but by the time you reach 
for a gun in your glove compartment, it's  all over, one way or another. 
 
Btw, can anyone here stand watching those CSI shows on TV?  Isn't there 
enough violence on the news to satisfy even the hungriest  bloodthirsty person? 
Or 
are these TV shows (and news) feeding the hunger, as  that experiment implied.
 
Carol

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