Silly question - doesn't make any sense and probably isn't even true. A gun is a tool like a power saw or a portable drill. This was a very important tool for our ancestors - at least my ancestors - coming across the west. I learned to shoot an M1 (the tool current at the time) in the Marine Corps. Why are men attracted to cars, motorcycles, boats, power mowers, and to large Plasma TVs . . . more than to guns? Why are women attracted to cell phones? A better question to ask would be why so many people think its better to be defenseless when there is a tool available that could change that for them. Lest you ascend a high horse and argue that no one needs to defend him or herself, I recall a report on some anti-gun senators with gun-toting body-guards and wonder why they needed guns if what they were saying was true. It's a characteristic of our Liberal-Democracy that we retain the right to defend ourselves. I can think of several sorts of people who would like us to disarm - none of them up to any good. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:55 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell you so? That still leaves unanswered the question as to why guys are drawn to guns in the first place. Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I haven't heard anyone address the most important question: had these guys, the ones whose testosterone went up, ever fired guns before. So much myth has been created in recent years about guns; they probably had little or no experience with guns and thought they were doing something dangerous. I was a rifle instructor in the Marine Corps, have a fair amount of experience with guns and doubt very seriously if my testosterone goes up when I go up a local canyon to do a little target shooting. I actually think of it as a bit of a nuisance, but something I ought to do from time to time. I gave a nephew of mine a Browning Hi-Power last November and replaced it with a CZ-75 P-01. When he was out here last week-end he was surprised to learn that I hadn't fired it yet. I told him I was having a custom holster made and hadn't received it yet. He said there was no way he would have a gun for six months without ever firing it. Now his testosterone might go up while firing a gun. He hasn't fired a gun all that much, and he is only 21. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Kirschenbaum Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:57 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell you so? Fifteen minutes later, the psychologists again measured <http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-200605 09-12562400-bc-us-gunhormones.xml> testosterone levels and discovered high levels in men who had had handled the gun, with levels remaining steady in those working with the board game. ck: Clearly we need to send murderous dictators and bored brutes multiple sets of Monopoly, Chutes and Ladders, and Scrabble. (Chess comes later.) I wonder which world big shot would be willing to dare peace by board game. My bet's on Jimmy Carter. I'm ready for volunteer duty, btw. Carol, living on the ol' St. James Place ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Stone <mailto:pas@xxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Didn't I tell you so? The students were seated, one at a time, at a table in a bare room. On the table were pieces of paper and either the board game Mouse Trap or a large handgun. Their instructions: Take apart the game or the gun and write directions for assembly and disassembly. Fifteen minutes later, the psychologists again measured <http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-200605 09-12562400-bc-us-gunhormones.xml> testosterone levels and discovered high levels in men who had had handled the gun, with levels remaining steady in those working with the board game. Proof that Rube Goldberg machines cause chemical castration. p ########## Paul Stone pas@xxxxxxxx Kingsville, ON, Canada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com