> This touches on a similar scenario discussed by Grice. Since P. A. Stone > says he doesnot need the Gricean formula I'll use a scenario of P. A. Stone > and his son: > > P. A. Stone says to his son, "Turn off the light" (I know it did work with > my father and me). > > The son, in an act of disobedience, does not. > > P. A. Stone is aware of that, therefore, instead of _learning_ the child > (I use 'learn' to mean 'teach') utters: > > "Keep the light on!" > > therefore the child disobediently goes and turns it off. > > Grice (WOW, v -- googlebooks) asks: > > Could we say that when [P. A. Stone] utterered, "Keep the light on!" he > meant that his addressee was to turn it off? The answer Grice gives is "yes". > > Mutatis mutandis, a community of counter-suggestible addressees _is_ > possible; therefore perhaps O. W. may reconsider his interesting claims? > The cool thing is that, just by watching me, my son will, even at only just over 2 years old, automatically turn the light out when he leaves a room (if he can reach it). And if he can't reach it, he will say "light, light" until I lift him to the switch to turn it off. Then he claps his hands together and says "off... good boy". And neither his mother nor I have EVER told him to turn the light off. I think he's got a chip installed with additional natural instincts. p ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html