Not having proper time to follow this thread, I'm just poking my nose in = now and again. But I spotted this statement of Andy's about Hitler 'hati= ng peace' and just wondered why it rolls so easily off the fingertips. H= itler was an angry young man who was shamed by Germany's defeat in a war = he had fought in and felt betrayed by the decision makers in the generati= on before him. Born in a different time and place, he might have been no= body. Think of a rogue wave in the ocean and a talented, lucky and pluck= y surfer. Whole lifetimes could pass without the two meeting. The wave = sinks lesser surfers and the surfer has to make do with lesser waves. Un= less...things come together. That's the 'perfect storm' that came togeth= er and engulfed Germany. No one could see it coming. The German people= were not somehow more prone to this than others might have been. Neithe= r they nor Hitler hated peace. Neither they nor Hitler loved war. =20 Something in the US portends this same kind of 'perfect storm.' If ever= one wanted to understand how what happened in Germany could happen, they= need only watch what is happening in the US right now. While there is n= o proof, it is widely assumed that Hitler's brown shirts set fire to the = Reichstag themselves. The fear it engendered gave Hitler the opportunity= to turn his election victory into something more powerful and more perma= nent. The people willingly exchanged their civil liberties for protectio= n from a possibly-invented fear. And doesn't that sound familiar.... The Marxist analysis of history put paid to "The Great Man" theory, but p= erhaps we need to take a second look. (Those quotations around 'great m= an' belong there for more than one reason.) Ursula (my two bits...(Canadian)...about 42 cents American) ----------------------- Lawrence Helm and Andy Amago..... L.H. It is possible to examine many of Hitler's motives, but as much as he loved war, however mu= ch that was, it couldn't be said that he went to war because he loved war. = The objectives of his war were the reasons he went to war. Lebensraum in the= East and the countering of the effects of the ignominious surrender after= World War One were probably the prime reasons.=20 A.A. If he hated war and violence, he would have found another way to mee= t his ends. He chose instead to go to war, and his people chose to follow him. He hated peace, so he shunned it. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html