It's called spin. We're negotiating is good news, but we're negotiating because the military option didn't work. I don't need to read articles on why the world needs more war. We have enough nuclear capacity to wipe out Iran and just about everybody in the wolrd many times over. They're not insane unless you have reason to believe they are. If we were so "successful" in Iraq, how in the world can we even think about invading Iran? We need to focus on making ourselves secure, like having a Manhattan project to develop alternative fuel sources. Instead, we're busy rattling sabers. People don't learn, not even the hard way. So be it, have your war. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 2/1/2006 10:54:38 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Better late than never Irene: you ought to read this article. It?s very good. It follows logically from the Christopher Hitchens article I posted a few days ago. The Sunni Insurgents were shooting at Al Quaeda in the Hitchens? article. In the one you post, dialogue between the U.S. and the Iraqi Sunni insurgents is in progress. That?s good news. Here is what you wrote in your previous note: To much of the world, we are a rogue state. We started an offensive war for no reason and that we now have to finish. Never mind Lawrence. I'll bet you're a card carrying member of the NRA too. BTW, there's an article in Newsweek that we are covertly (not so covertly I guess if Newsweek knows about it) negotiating with the insurgents in Iraq. We're using diplomacy, only a bit late. If I can find the link, I'll send it. The Newsweek article does not support what you wrote. The offensive against Saddam Hussein and subsequently against the Islamists in Iraq seems to be (as your article suggests) even more successful than I thought. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:33 PM To: lit-ideas Subject: [lit-ideas] Better late than never It was easier than I thought: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079548/site/newsweek/