[lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem?
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:37:13 -0700
I'm replying to what you said, Simon. You said Hitler like Bush alarmed his
people by saying they were about to be attacked. I see you dropped your
quote off, but I'll add it back in. Here is Simon in all his glory:
SW> Hitler advocated a new reich. To achieve it he had to do two things.
Reduce and eradicate the democratic process in Germany, whilst also
persuading the German populous that they were under attack.
SW> Ring any bells?
I observed that Hitler never argued that the German populous was under
attack except by Jews. This is true. You should get out more. Have you
never heard of Hitler's desire for lebensraum? You seem to be surprised by
that ("The last paragraph is the most interesting simply because they are
your own words."), but this is extremely well known. Hitler wanted to
expand into the surrounding nations. And yes, when Hitler stood on his
podium and promised the German people that he would obtain lebensraum for
them, I believe he meant what he said. His subsequent actions prove it.
Once again, once again, once again . . . I proposed the projection of the
current modern American Leftists with their current climate of opinion which
is pro-Islamist and anti-American back into the 30s and suggested that they
like the majority at that time would oppose going to war against Hitler.
Many of the Leftists of the 30s (not to be confused with modern day
Leftists) joined the Lincoln Brigade and supported the Communist cause in
Spain.
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Simon Ward
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:15 AM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler
problem?
So now you're a Hitler apologist, Lawrence.
The last paragraph is the most interesting simply because they are your own
words.
"Hitler never argued that Germany was under attack other than by the Jews.
In regard to external nations, he wanted Germany to be strong so it could
gain its needed living room."
So Hitler never said anything about the Bolshevics and Communism in general?
And he only wanted to invade his neighbours to gain 'much needed living
room'. Please Lawrence, don't say it's true, don't say you really are
sympathetic and you think it's right to defend the man. Don't say you
actually trust what Hitler had to say on his podium.
In a later post you accuse the Leftists in the 1930s of being the group
against the war. Would these be the same leftists to went to Spain to fight
against the Fascists? The same Leftists who fought in the streets against
Mosely's blackshirts.
Sorry Lawrence, but you're talking tripe.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler
problem?
Ring any bells? Nice try Simon: trying to find a parallel between Hitler
and Bush rather than dealing with the obvious parallels. But you are quite
wrong. Hitler never argued that they were under attack - or rather not the
sort of attack you imagine. In 1936 on May 1 "once an international day of
celebration of labouring people, now redubbed 'National Labour Day' - he
posed the rhetorical question: 'I ask myself,' he declared, 'who are then
these elements who wish to have no rest, no peace, and no understanding,
who must continually agitate and sow mistrust? Who are they actually?'
Immediately picking up the implication, the crowd bayed: 'The Jews.' Hitler
began again: 'I know . . . ,' and was interrupted by cheering that lasted
for several minutes. . . ."
Hitler never argued that Germany was under attack other than by the Jews.
In regard to external nations, he wanted Germany to be strong so it could
gain its needed living room.
Lawrence
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