[lit-ideas] Re: Anonymity and revelation...
- From: Robert Paul <robert.paul@xxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:39:34 -0800
Irene wrote:
I'm not clear what you haven't heard. Between he and I is ubiquitous and
wrong. It's down there with universally using lay instead of lie. As the
language changes it will inevitably absorb the discrepancies and eventually
they'll be standard. Lie might even just disappear all together. I'll
probably be the only person to miss it. Maybe even be the only person to
notice it's gone. Regarding if Me attacked I, then Myself would simply get
in there and stop the brawling. Piece of cake.
Why you're not clear is not clear. Earlier, you wrote:
> Most people hyper correct in the opposite direction, as in "Give it
to > he" when clearly it should be give it to him. I think the
reasoning > is that because it sounds wrong, it's right.
To which, as you've noted, I replied that I'd never heard that in my
life, that is, I've never heard anyone say 'Give it to he.' 'Give it to
him (her, them, us) is so natural and correct that I wonder where you've
heard '----- he.' The 'sounds wrong, so it must be right,' theory is
interesting. Is there a corresponding theory that if it sounds right it
must be wrong?
I wrote, too that'between he and I' is ubiquitous and uncorrected, as is
'Whom shall I say is calling?' When I said that 'between he and I' was
ubiquitous and uncorrected, I meant that it went uncorrected, i.e.,
wasn't heard (seen) as wrong, etc. Of course it IS wrong.
When you say that you're probably the only person left who knows (or
cares about) the difference between lie and lay, I wonder who you think
your audience on this list is.
We're all just a bunch of pronouns anyway.
Robert Paul
Reed College
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