In a message dated 11/4/2010 7:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxxx (mailto:jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx) writes: Well, OK, then. That's settled. Mike Geary OK in Memphis ---- It's not as easy as that. There are two problems. The etymological. "Etymologically speaking, OK means ...". This is the topic of Metcalf's book. Just one claim. "One proposed induction of okay involves English-speaking Americans taking up a locally-heard American Indian word." "The emergence of the expression "OK" coincided with a seminal period in the development of American popular culture." "The War of 1812 and the appearance on the American scene of the frontiersman — both in the flesh and as a national symbol — mark the beginning of an indigenous psyche Americana which is strikingly reflected in the flood of Americanisms originating in the nineteenth century.[23]" "The Choctaw etymology is not generally accepted today. For example, The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang has four separate entries for "O.K." and says that "okeh" is the obsolete equivalent of each of them. It also says that "okeh," ('it is indeed') is a Choctaw expression. But it nevertheless says that "[w]ithout concrete evidence of a prior and established English borrowing from Choctaw-Chickasaw" any "derivational claims" about a Choctaw etymology are as "gratuitous" as those of the Liberian Djabo "O-ke," the Mandingo "O ke," or the Ulster Scots "Ough, aye!" [24]" "The Choctaw expression "okeh" is still occasionally used, sometimes in rather unexpected contexts[25][26][27] The "O.K. sauce" bottle mystique is alive and well on the Internet; a Google search of "Masons OK sauce" yields over 50,000 ebay hits. And there are hundreds of options for downloading lyrics, soundtracks, videos, tweets, ringtones, etc. of the song "All Mixed Up" written by Pete Seeger and recorded by Peter, Paul and Mary in 1964." You know this language that we speak, is part German, Latin and part Greek Celtic and Arabic all in a heap, well amended by the people in the street. Choctaw gave us the word "okay"… "A strength of this etymology of "O.K." is a repeated explicit, intentional reference to the Choctaw associated with its use as well as the use of Choctaw loanwords, in particular okeh." The second problem is Gricean. Granting that OK is an adjective: A: Is _it_ OK? B: Yes, it IS OK. The problem then is the EX-plicature, versus the 'implicature'. In Tenerife, implicatures did not count and this involved some deaths. But the explicature is too explicitly forgotten. The OED indicates that "OK" qua adjective, has 5 'senses' (but Grice objected this: "Do not multiply senses beyond necessity" -- his modified Occam's razor): x is OK x is 1. all correct 2. all right 3. satisfactory, 4. good; 5. well, in good health or order. In early use, occas. more intensively: x is OK x is 6. outstanding, excellent. Now freq. in somewhat weakened sense: x is OK x is 7. adequate, acceptable. OK by (someone): fine by (a person), acceptable to (a person). Chiefly predicative. x is OK x is 8. Fashionable, x is 9. modish; x is 10. prestigious, x is 11. high-class. Of a person: X is OK X is 12. decent, X is 13. trustworthy; X is 14 congenial. Also x is 15. Appropriate, suitable; permissible, allowed. Freq. with for. Of a person: X is 15, comfortable, at ease, content, satisfied; X is 16 reasonable, understanding. Usu. with about, with. ----- Once you have identified the EX-plicature you can DIS-implicate any implicature that may attach to it. To do that you need an illustration in a conversational context. And here, "OK" is hardly an easy 'move' to analyse in 'conversational American English'. One etymological claim, for example, has that OK is an English Misspelling of "O.R." for "Order Received". "A common mistake in the Western U.S. owing to the similar shapes of the letters R and K. 1790 !by 1790 Albigence Waldo Putnam 1859 "The 1790 bill of sale "Andrew Jackson, Esq., proved a bill of sale from Hugh McGary to Gasper Mansker for a negro man, which was O.K." is cited in Putnam's History of Middle Tennessee; the assertion that the misspelling is common is added in James Parton's 1860 Life of Andrew Jackson. Woodford Heflin in 1939 established that the 1790 bill did in fact read "O.R." rather than "O.K." [2] As Metcalf notes (and others note) in his book published by the Oxford University Press: "America's greatest word": ""Okay" can fulfill functions at many level of discourse." "At the ideational level it functions as an adjective or adverb (Bangerter and Clark, 2003), it signifies approval, acceptance and confirmation by the speaker (Condon, 1986; Merritt, 1984), and affirmatively responds to a question (Guthrie, 1997; Heisler, 1996)." From the OED, it is clear that OK is best treated as a _VERB_. All others parts of speech are derivational. On the other hand, the interjectionalists prefer to see "OK" as an interjection, along with "My God" (short for 'My God be kind to me'). OED: adj All correct, all right; satisfactory, good; well, in good health or order. In early use, occas. more intensively: outstanding, excellent. Now freq. in somewhat weakened sense: adequate, acceptable. OK by (someone): fine by (a person), acceptable to (a person). Chiefly predicative. Fashionable, modish; prestigious, high-class. Of a person: decent, trustworthy; congenial. Appropriate, suitable; permissible, allowed. Freq. with for. Of a person: comfortable, at ease, content, satisfied; reasonable, understanding. Usu. with about, with. int Expressing assent, concession, or approval, esp. with regard to a previous statement or question: yes, all right. a. Appended as an interrogative to a clause, phrase, etc., in expectation of agreement or approval. b. Brit. ——rules OK!: asserting the pre-eminence of a specified person or thing. Introducing an utterance or as a conversational filler, typically without affirmative or concessive force, but rather as a means of drawing attention to what the speaker is about to say: well, so, right. n An indication of approval; an endorsement, authorization. Freq. in to give the OK (to).In early use chiefly with reference to the marking of a document, etc., with the letters ‘OK’. adv Satisfactorily, acceptably. v trans. To endorse, esp. by marking with the letters ‘OK’; to approve, agree to, sanction, or pass. Freq. in pa. pple. ---- as an implicature-carrying particle, OK is frequently discussed, after seminal work by Grice in this area, as a third turn receipt by a current speaker (Bangerter and Clark, 2003; Guthrie, 1997; Beach, 1993)." ""Okay" has also been described as serving a variety of text-structural functions as a marker of information-state transitions." "Several studies describe this function of okay, frequently, however, labeling the phenomenon differently (Levin and Gray, 1983; Merritt, 1984; Condon, 1986; Heisler, 1996; Rendle-Short, 2000; Swales and Malczewski, 2001; Bangerter and Clark, 2003)." "Several studies subdivide this structural type of okay, usually, however, these subdivisions refer to the place where structural okay occurs or to the type of new section it opens up." ""Okay" functions as a pre-closing device (Schegloff and Sacks, 1973; Bangerter and Clark, 2003), it marks a return from a digression (Bangerter and Clark, 2003), functions as a text bracketing device (Rendle-Short, 2000), occurs in introductory or conclusion position (Levin and Gray, 1983), or as an attention getter at the beginning of an interaction (Heisler, 1996)." "Finally "okay" and "alright" are frequently mentioned in their function of backchannel signal (Heisler, 1996; Swales and Malczewski, 2001)."[173]" "The 1977 Tenerife airport disaster, in which 583 people were killed, was blamed in part on a misunderstranding between pilot and air traffic control over the intended sense of the word "OK". While the controller meant "understood, stand by", the pilot may have interpreted it as "approved, proceed". Standard control terminology excludes "OK" precisely to avoid such ambiguities." Cheers, Speranza The Swimming-Pool Library, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html