Mike Geary wrote: "My point, I think is that the world is reaping the harvest of European colonialism and the US's imperialistic foreign policy of the past 60 years." That may be your point, but it wasn't mine. It would be another thread to which I would be happy to contribute. Mike continues: "They are not mad men, they're just mad as hell." I don't think so. I have been trying to show that they are neither mad nor angry, but rational agents. Whatever I may think of their beliefs, I do think that they are intelligent men logically working out the implications of those beliefs. The problem, as I see it, is that politics is not meant to be rational nor logical. Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html