[lit-ideas] Re: ACT or SAT
- From: Robert Paul <robert.paul@xxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:12:59 -0700
Marlena wrote:
My son has an opportunity to take either the SAT or the ACT as part of
this 7th Grade Talent Search done by Duke University.
I have to decide which he should take. He can only take one at this
point in time. (I suppose via this program. I think you can sign up and
take the test on your own if you are willing to pay for it...)
Are there pros and cons for each test that I should be considering? His
counselor says that most of the kids he knows who have qualified will
take the ACT (but that is because it will be held in our suburb <G>
People here do NOT like to drive into KC unless it is totally absolutely
necessary. The SAT is being held at oen of the private schools "in the
city". I'd prefer to make a decision based on other reasons than where
the test is being taken...but that is just me. Maybe they already know
something more positive about the ACT than I know. I really don't know
how to compare them.)
I know little about the ACT. It's my understanding that it was for
awhile more widely used in the Mid West than on either coast. My hazy
impression is that the New England liberal arts colleges preferred, or
even required the SAT, for awhile. Now I think that pretty much every
college or university that asks for such tests will accept either.
They're pretty much the same although the scores are expressed
differently. See
http://collegeapps.about.com/od/act/a/actvssat.htm
Paul Marthers, Reed's Dean of Admission has this to say about the 'new' SAT.
http://web.reed.edu/apply/sat_opinion.html
In the winter of 2005, the SAT changed dramatically. At least on the
surface the addition of a third section looked like a radical alteration
to a standardized test long known for its1600-point scoring scale. The
SAT, a test that has become synonymous with the college application
process, is now scored on a 2400-point scale. In addition to adding a
third section that assesses writing, there are changes below the surface
of the remaining verbal (now called critical reading) and math
components—no more verbal analogies or quantitative comparisons, for
example. Students are apprehensive about the challenge and the novelty
posed by the changes to the SAT. Colleges are too. Students are
wondering if the new required essay matters as much as the more
traditional sections and are asking what is a good score on the new
2400-point scale? Admission officers are wondering what impact the new
SAT will have on their ability to gauge each applicant's qualifications.
While I cannot offer definitive answers to those concerns, I do know
that each college or university has its own particular situation that
will determine how it will handle the new SAT. Georgetown University
and California Polytechnic University at San Luis Obispo, for example,
have already announced that they won't consider the SAT writing score on
the same par as the verbal and math sections. I applaud both
institutions for stating clear positions on the new SAT. As the dean of
admission at a small college that has a national reach, I am asked
frequently to speculate on how Reed College's peers will treat the new
SAT. I can guess how other small liberal arts colleges will react to
the new SAT, but that kind of conjecture is akin to guessing the answer
to an SAT question. Odds are I will guess wrong. So I will stick to
what I know: Reed College's take on the new SAT. Maybe Reed's stance
will mirror the response of most other national liberal arts colleges.
Maybe it won't. Time and experience with the new SAT will tell.
As we receive scores on the new SAT, much of Reed's attention will focus
on the writing exam. The essay component is the major alteration to the
test, the one getting all the press, and the one I have heard discussed
most at national admission conferences. Reed will take a cautious,
evaluative, and, quite frankly, skeptical stance toward the new SAT.
Until we are convinced that the new test offers us significant
information that we do not already factor into admission decisions, Reed
will not change its approach to the SAT. Reed will view the SAT
verbal/critical reading and the SAT math sections, despite the changes,
as we did before and consider the new writing section analogous to the
former SAT II writing exam. While that test existed, Reed recommended,
but did not require, submission of the SAT II in writing. There are
reasons, which I will get to later, why Reed has always questioned the
value of any standardized test in writing and will continue to do so.
Test scores have a mixed history at predicting academic success at small
liberal arts colleges. Most notably, Bates College in Maine discovered
20 years ago that SAT's were of no value in its admission process and
stopped requiring them. Now at least a dozen respected national liberal
arts colleges make submission of standardized tests like the SAT and ACT
optional. Internal research studies at Reed show that grades and the
rigor of courses selected in high school are the best predictors of
success in the College's curriculum. SAT scores add marginally to the
predictive matrix, and are generally most helpful when one of the
sub-scores is a statistical outlier on the low end. Like many other
selective liberal arts colleges Reed finds as well that the math SAT
helps predict a student's facility for courses in the sciences, math,
and certain heavily quantitative social sciences such as economics.
Reed, like most other small colleges, has a writing-intensive
curriculum. Students are far more likely to get assigned analytical
papers, lab reports, take-home essay exams, and, of course, a senior
thesis than multiple choice tests or graded essays administered under
severe time constraints. In the Reed curriculum, the most commonly
employed student assessment procedures do not match the format of the
SAT. The same is true of the other liberal arts colleges where I have
studied or worked: Bennington, Oberlin, and Vassar. For curricular
reasons, Reed's admission committee, which engages faculty and deans in
parts of the decision-making process, will view the new SAT, the same
way it views all standardized exams, in a holistic context of numerous
academic and personal factors and with a healthy degree of skepticism.
In particular, we will examine the scores we see from the SAT's new
writing section, the cornerstone of which is a 25-minute essay, knowing
that Reed students will almost never encounter an analogous exam in a
Reed class. Our concerns about the SAT writing section mirror those
raised recently by the National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE).
Like the NCTE, we worry that the standardized and time-limited nature of
the SAT essay will encourage a kind of artificial, mechanized,
writing-for-the-test that seems antithetical to the reflective and
analytical writing taught in a liberal arts curriculum. Like the NCTE,
we further believe that good writing involves rewriting, something the
SAT's 25-minute essay does not allow.
The application essays we ask applicants to write and the graded high
school writing assignment we ask them to submit more accurately reflect
the kind of writing students do at Reed. From those samples of writing,
the admission committee gauges the applicant's facility with written
expression and draws conclusions about the applicant's ability to
navigate a writing-intensive curriculum successfully. The required
essays and graded writing sample also provide the admission committee
with a glimpse into the personalities and passions of our applicants.
At a college that prizes independent thought, inculcates analytical
acumen, and cultivates intellectual rigor, what the applicant selects to
write about and chooses to send helps convey those Reed-like qualities
far better than the score achieved on a time-limited writing exam.
That does not mean that the new SAT writing exam has no merits.
Certainly some of the skills that produce a fine score on the SAT essay
are applicable to the writing required in a challenging liberal arts
curriculum. The grammatical and reading diagnostic sections of the new
SAT writing exam will provide a useful measure of each applicant's
mastery of the foundation fundamentals on which good analytical writing
rests. The SAT writing exam, like its predecessor the SAT II writing
subject test, will provide another piece in the puzzle of the admission
assessment, a puzzle piece that Reed will consider on par with items
such as extracurricular involvement, recommendation letters, and
Advanced Placement (AP) exam scores (if submitted).
When we begin receiving scores from the new SAT, we will be curious,
from a research perspective, to see how the writing scores square with
each applicant's grades in English courses, the quality of the
application essays, and the sophistication of the required graded
writing sample. I would hope that high scores on the new SAT writing
section will be matched by high grades in English classes, high AP
English scores, and high SAT verbal scores. What will be even more
interesting to watch is the extent to which SAT I writing scores
correlate with scores on the ACT's new optional essay exam, which Reed
will accept but not require.
I would be less than honest if I did not say that many long-time
admission officers view the recent changes to the SAT as equivalent to a
rearrangement of the chairs on the deck of the ship, rather than an
overhaul of the engine below. That may not be a fair or accurate
assessment, but it is reflective of the show-me attitude that many of us
in college admission take every time the College Board or the ACT
announce changes to standardized exams that we know are both valuable
and fallible. And finally, to the question, what is a good score on the
new 2400-point SAT, I say just invoke a little SAT math: divide your
score by three then multiply that number by two to compare to the old
1600-point scale. Confused? Take heart. Reed is sticking to the old
1600-point (verbal/critical reading + math) scale.
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Erin's report on the phenomenology of test taking is no doubt shared by
many.
Robert Paul
Reed College
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Are there pros and cons for each test that I should be considering? His counselor says that most of the kids he knows who have qualified will take the ACT (but that is because it will be held in our suburb <G> People here do NOT like to drive into KC unless it is totally absolutely necessary. The SAT is being held at oen of the private schools "in the city". I'd prefer to make a decision based on other reasons than where the test is being taken...but that is just me. Maybe they already know something more positive about the ACT than I know. I really don't know how to compare them.)
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