[lit-ideas] Re: A Question REALLY Answered
- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:24:25 -0600
DR:
>> Is "Andy" saying that those people who choose to join Iraq's new armed
>> forces are different from their American counterparts in some way: I.Q. or
>> hand-eye co-ordination or willingness to listen and to be subject to
>> military discipline? What makes them "untrainable"? <<
I know nothing personally of these matters -- having spent 10 years assiduously
avoiding the draft during Vietnam as did all the Bush men so eager to wage war
in Iraq -- but it's my understanding from what I've read that the training
problems aren't with the troops nearly so much as with the officier corps that
we eliminated after our "victory". I would never have believed it, but
apparently there's something to this management stuff besides kissing ass.
Maybe they're right. I like to think that I'd frag any sonofabitch who ordered
me to go get killed, but it seems that some people will do what they're told to
do if they're told in the right way. So it's not the rifle scopes that are the
problem but the scope of understanding by the officier corps of human
pyschology and alpha male leadership shit.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: david ritchie
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A Question REALLY Answered
On Dec 25, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Andreas Ramos wrote:
Specifically, he meant their lack of experience. The officer said that he
had "not met one, not one, Iraqi who knew how to use a scope". They simply
don't understand how to use weapons, act as an army, act as a team, and so on.
I wonder about the Iraq/Iran War. Did they just simply slaughter each other
in the most primitive way?
"Andy" adds, "Iraqi soldiers are in fact not trainable in the sense that the
American Army is trainable. "
May I call your attention to the following website
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/iran_iraq_war/iran_iraq_war3.php
which repeats, in different form, the claim that both Iraq and Iran's forces
were unable to use scopes (the ref here is to tank scopes). And yet, you'll
note, the air war was fought in sophisticated fashion.
You'll see that the infantry slaughter was very primitive, particularly once
the Iranians put Mullahs in charge of military operations.
Is "Andy" saying that those people who choose to join Iraq's new armed forces
are different from their American counterparts in some way: I.Q. or hand-eye
co-ordination or willingness to listen and to be subject to military
discipline? What makes them "untrainable"?
David Ritchie
Portland, Oregon
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