Dear Judy (and all), Oh, I'm so sorry! No...it was more that the thread has led me onward to looking at the issue in even a deeper context and manner. It is interesting in this study, though, that the majority of the pedophiles for under the age of 12 are of the heterosexual types. The study states that of the ages 13 to 17, the victim is usually a boy and his victimizer usually male. I'm only on page 22 of 160 pages, though. (I just mostly was having hard time with NAMBLA's attitude that a boy of 14 can give actual consent to a man who is 55 or so. From what I know of adolescent development, it just troubles me alot. I decided to go further and look at what others have said/studied. It's just what I do when I get tipped over the edge.) The issue, I recall, came about when I discussed the how virtue can be taught and gave the example of scouting. The issue, then, came about with the question of why/how I could think that the scouting could be moral if they discriminated against gays in their membership and I was sharing what I have seen/heard as the reasons for the fears in that matter. (which apparently have not been add ressed well by anyone as evidenced by the Catholic Church taking the same stance and claiming that it is the 'gay' priest who has been molesting the kids in that world.) From there the thread went on and there was a bit discussion as to why anyone would even go that direction...and from there came the question (to me and to other folks in the scouting world who are discussing--and have been discussing for even longer than I have been invovled in scouting) as to whether or not being gay is inborn/genetic or is something culturally created. If it is inborn/genetic, then I believe that the issue of gays within scouting or gay marriage or whatever will become a non-issue. If, however, it is (what was on our list wondered about) socially/culturally created, then the question towards discrimination becomes a bit trickier as the door then *may* be opened for other folk who may want to use others for their own gratification. (in the minds of those who have fears of sexual exploitati on of those protecting those on their watch) Primarily, I will state, that I was then reminded of so many who I knew once (some of which I still know-others I do not--but whose stories have stayed with and troubled me) My moving from that thread to this one was of my own making--just showcased how a thread may take someone from place to place in terms of information gathering. Best, Marlena in Missouri -----Original Message----- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:48:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: 2006 reading lists --- eternitytime1@xxxxxxx wrote: > Although I just started this title found online > because of the recent conversation about whether or > not a pedophile is just a misunderstood person who > is a victim of the age of consent laws addition Indeed, this is a travesty of what was said. (I note that your wording suggests only gays are paedophiles.) Judy Evans, Cardiff ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html