[LRflex] Re: leicareflex Digest V6 #26
- From: Brendan Sforcina <brendan1952@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:25:31 +1100
Hi,
Not sure if I this is the right way to post a message or not.
I am looking at getting a Leicaflex, currently I am using Rangefinders
(Leica M6, CL & Mamiya 7ii, plus various Bessa I & II folders) and was
wondering what members would recommend as a reasonable first purchase?
I am after reliability mainly, speed is not a real requirement and I am
happy metering with my spot meter if I have to, the budget is not unlimited
but I am happy to plan on putting a kit together over a few months with a
target cost of about $2500. Is this realistic? And what would you suggest?
Thanks
Brendan
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> Leica Reflex Forum Digest
> +------------------------+------------------------------------
> leicareflex Digest Sun, 25 Jan 2009 Volume: 06 Issue: 026
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> In This Issue:
> [LRflex] R lenses on Nikon D700
> [LRflex] R lenses on Nikon D700
> [LRflex] R lenses on the Nikon D700
> [LRflex] R lenses on Nikon D700
> [LRflex] R lenses on a Nikon D700
> [LRflex] Re: Picture Samples Leica R lenses on my Nikon D700
> [LRflex] Re: the west....
> [LRflex] Re: the west....
> [LRflex] Speed Skating Photos...
> [LRflex] Re: Speed Skating Photos...
> [LRflex] Re: Speed Skating Photos...
> [LRflex] Re: Speed Skating Photos...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: H&ECummer <cummer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] R lenses on Nikon D700
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:17:44 +0800
>
> Philippe,
> They were shot at f4.0 and f5.6 - the D700 is set for Standard Picture
> in fine JPEG.
> Cheers
> Howard
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:38:07 +0100
> > From: Philippe AMARD <philippe.amard@xxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [LRflex] Re: Leica R lenses on the Nikon D700
> >
> > Thanks Howard, very interesting indeed.
> > Were they shot at 2.8?
> > They do look sharp.
> > I wonder how the D700 measures light on black cats too ;-)
> > Now from what I see here, the colours do not look Nikon, just a
> > feeling,
> > they look warmer than N; was it so?
> > Thanks for keeping us tuned on your epxeriments and progress in the
> > ever
> > changing digital world.
> >
> > Amitiés de Metz
> > Philippe, who must go out shooting today, must.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: H&ECummer <cummer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] R lenses on Nikon D700
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:21:11 +0800
>
>
> > A very interesting series, Howard!
> >
> > The renditions do look "Leica sharp" and the colour rendition appears
> > to be closer to Leicas than the cooler, more "Zeiss like" look of
> > Nikon lenses.
> >
> > Am I correct, that the Auto Diaphragm works properly?
> >
> > If so, I'll be happy to see Leitax come out with an R to 4/3rd mount!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> Hi David
> I am slow to answer as I only get the digest. As Doug has already
> answered
> there is no auto diaphram but you can focus up to f5.6 pretty well.
> For EXIF data
> you can code in the lenses on the D700 but it won't tell you the
> taking aperture
> just the focal length and you have to remember to change the setting
> when
> you change the lenses.
> Bests to Rose
> Cheers
> Howard
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: H&ECummer <cummer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] R lenses on the Nikon D700
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:23:15 +0800
>
> It is the same with two differences
> 1. The focus confirmation works without a chipped adapter
> 2. The exposure is linear in Aperture Preferred - works well
> Cheers
> Howard
>
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:51:53 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > From: wildlightphoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [LRflex] Re: More pictures of Leica R lenses on the Nikon
> > D700
> >
> > David Young wrote:
> >
> >> Am I correct, that the Auto Diaphragm works properly?
> >
> > No. It's the same as using an R lens with adapter on a Canon body.
> >
> > Doug Herr
> > Birdman of Sacramento
> > http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: H&ECummer <cummer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] R lenses on Nikon D700
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:25:48 +0800
>
> Gary,
> I don't believe matrix metering works but you get center weighted (not
> certain about this) and it works very well.
> Nice even exposures will all focal lengths - 19mm, 90mm and 180mm.
> No problems
> Howard
> >
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:03:45 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Gary E <ge_crocus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [LRflex] Re: Leica R lenses on a Nikon digital body using
> > the Leitax
> >
> > Hi Howard,
> >
> > Definitely keep us updated with your Leikon ventures. I have been
> > in turmoil over which DSLR body to get to facilitate my kit of Leica
> > R lenses. I am also a Nikon user, but only use them for AF at events.
> >
> > The process is important as is the accuracy of the meter readings.
> > Please tell about those experiences with your D700.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: H&ECummer <cummer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] R lenses on a Nikon D700
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:31:50 +0800
>
> Thanks Douglas,
> The thing is that I can convert back, if need be, the lenses that I
> have "rebayonted". You just reverse the assembly order for the
> particular lens shown on the Leitax site. I have put all the bits for
> each R bayonet in a baggie and put them away in case I ever need to.
> In the meantime I can use the lenses rather than have them gather dust
> in a dry box. And if the R10 is late, has teething problems, or is too
> expensive for a retired chap like me I won't be too bothered.
> Cheers
> Howard
>
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:18:00 +0100
> > From: Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@xxxxxx>
> > Subject: [LRflex] Re: Leica R lenses on a Nikon digital body using
> > the Leitax
> >
> > Looks like really good slide material - the colours are reminiscent of
> > the long gone, and beautifully neutral, Agfa slide films - looks like
> > you've got an excellent combination there Howard.
> >
> > Pity you'll have to convert back when the R10 comes :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Douglas
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:36:28 +0100
> From: Philippe AMARD <philippe.amard@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Picture Samples Leica R lenses on my Nikon D700
>
> Hi Howard,
> very intersting to see R glass put to so good use on the D700.
> The pano looks a little strange though - curved somehow.
> Yet, the surfers'wings are wow-sharp - you're mastering the beast !
> And the beast seems to like it too, giving excellent colours and texture.
> Keep the good work coming.
> Thanks for sharing the whole experience.
> Amitiés
> Philippe
>
> H&ECummer wrote:
>
> > Hello Flexers,
> > I am beginning to get the hang of Leica R lenses on my Nikon D700.
> >
> > Here is a three panel pano of Pui O beach this morning taken with the
> > 19mm Elmarit
> > processed in CS4. This is one of the reasons I changed the bayonet on
> > the 19 - I wanted
> > to be able to take w-i-d-e panos with it on a digital SLR body and I
> > am pleased with this result
> > and excited about the possibilities:
> >
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Howard+Cummer/R+lenses+on+Nikon+D700/3panelPuiO19ElmaritW.jpg.html
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/d3k7sh
> >
> > And here a picture with the 180 Telyt Apo on the D700 at Shui Hau
> > beach where the kite surfers were out in
> > force today with a good wind. The picture is cropped to the middle
> > third of the image.
> >
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Howard+Cummer/R+lenses+on+Nikon+D700/KiteSurfX2Telyt180AP0W.jpg.html
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/bklgd7
> >
> > Please enjoy - all C&C welcome
> > Cheers
> > Howard
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:54:27 +0100
> From: Philippe AMARD <philippe.amard@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: the west....
>
> Beautiful !
>
> R glass was really good, there's no denying that.
> Superb light and rendition.
>
> The bird adds a lot to the second one, nice catch.
>
> BTW: were these shot BW or have you digitally turned them into BW?
>
> Thanks for sharing these excellent photos of wonderful views.
> Amitiés
> Philippe - on a much, much calmer Sunday
>
>
> Steve Barbour wrote:
>
> > two more images, these from the Jackson Hole, Wyoming and Tetons area...
> >
> >
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2009/tetons.jpg.html
> >
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2009/birdtetons.jpg.html
> >
> >
> > I believe these were taken with a Leica R8,
> >
> > the first one with a lux 50mm and the second with the Elmarit 19 mm /
> > 2.8 2nd version.
> >
> >
> > many thanks for your interest in these,
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: the west....
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:21:40 -0700
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Philippe AMARD wrote:
>
> > Beautiful !
> >
> > R glass was really good
>
> still is :-)
>
>
> > , there's no denying that.
> > Superb light and rendition.
> >
> > The bird adds a lot to the second one, nice catch.
> >
> > BTW: were these shot BW or have you digitally turned them into BW?
>
>
> bw film
> >
> >
> > Thanks for sharing these excellent photos of wonderful views.
>
>
> thanks so much, bonne journee, amities, Steve
> >
> > Amitiés
> > Philippe - on a much, much calmer Sunday
> >
> >
> > Steve Barbour wrote:
> >
> >> two more images, these from the Jackson Hole, Wyoming and Tetons
> >> area...
> >>
> >>
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2009/tetons.jpg.html
> >>
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2009/birdtetons.jpg.html
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe these were taken with a Leica R8,
> >>
> >> the first one with a lux 50mm and the second with the Elmarit 19
> >> mm / 2.8 2nd version.
> >>
> >>
> >> many thanks for your interest in these,
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:43:35 -0800
> From: David Young <dsy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Speed Skating Photos...
>
> Fellow Flexers....
>
> A couple of weeks ago, I showed a few shots of the outdoor,
> long-track, speed skating competition, held here a couple of weekends ago.
>
> I've finally got a web page running, with about 20 pix.
>
> If you'd like to peek, got to:
>
> http://www.main.furnfeather.net/
>
> Click on Logan Lake Life (on left), then
> Click on 2009 Speed Skating (on right)
>
> C&C welcomed, as always.
>
> Cheers!
> ---
>
> David Young,
> Logan Lake, CANADA
>
> Limited Edition Prints at: www.furnfeather.net
> Personal Web-site at: www.main.furnfeather.net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Speed Skating Photos...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:55:51 -0800
>
> David Young showed:
> Subject: [LRflex] Speed Skating Photos...
>
> A couple of weeks ago, I showed a few shots of the outdoor,
>
> long-track, speed skating competition, held here a couple of weekends ago.
>
> I've finally got a web page running, with about 20 pix.
>
> If you'd like to peek, got to:
>
> http://www.main.furnfeather.net/
> <http://www.main.furnfeather.net/%3c%3c%3c%3c> <<<<
>
>
>
> Good morning David,
>
> Well done mon ami! Particularly with the head-on photos of the skaters
> coming right at you. Certainly if these are manual focus? Which I believe
> them to be?
>
>
>
> One thing I don't see is any indication of speed? Yep I know they're
> probably going like a ding-bat outta hell and they speak well of your
> ability to hand focus and shoot and keep them sharp. However... "It's Speed
> Skating!"
>
> May I ask why you wouldn't shoot some on the straightaway doing a "swishy
> pan" as they blew by you?
>
> Just stop down to 16 or 22 focus on the centre line of the track, pick the
> skater up in the viewfinder as he comes off the corner. usually completely
> out of focus.. DO NOT TOUCH THE FOCUSING RING AT ALL!! Or if using
> auto-focus turn it off! Then follow him at his speed and he'll skate into
> focus. And as he's passing your point you continue panning the camera as
> fast as he's going and camera is in motion same speed, you go "click!!!"
> But most importantly swing right with him at same speed and follow through.
> Quite frankly it isn't any different than photographing birds in flight
> when
> you follow them and shoot while panning with them.
>
>
>
> Background becomes a flashing blur of colours, skaters feet and legs
> usually
> a blur of colour and motion and he looks like he's doing a hundred miles an
> hour.! :-) You do not want this blur to go beyond recognizing what the
> subject is and somewhere in the body there should be a point of sharp
> focus.
> That means you've panned camera at exactly the right speed.
>
>
>
> Obviously you don't shoot them all in that fashion, but the faster skaters
> create the best effect.. As does using the right shutter speed, don't shoot
> too slow because it becomes an unrecognizable mush of "what?" Depending on
> how fast the skater is going, some feel like a missile going by. But it's
> essential to swing through with them at the same speed they're going.
>
>
>
> But then you know all this. :-) And you did shoot a few like it but they
> didn't quite work. Right? :-) Or you're saving them to blow everyone away!
> :-)
>
>
>
> Apart from that, they're a fine collection of good photographs which I'd
> imagine would be a few local sales by the competitors.
>
>
>
> But dang that's outside in the dead of winter and colder than a hooker's
> heart on a Saturday night standing in the snow and wind! :-) It's all yours
> mon ami, all yours! :-) No matter how good the photos look it's still all
> yours! :-)
>
> Naw I've done my time on winter sports, now if they had speed skating in
> Hawaii? Please, do call. :-) I'll be your assistant! :-)
>
>
>
> ted
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:26:27 -0800
> From: David Young <dsy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Speed Skating Photos...
>
> Ted wrote:
> >Good morning David,
> >Well done mon ami! Particularly with the head-on
> >photos of the skaters coming right at you.
> >Certainly if these are manual focus? Which I believe them to be?
>
> Sad to say, Ted, but these were all hand-held, AF
> shots.... nearly all with the Olympus 50~200
> f2.8-3.5 zoom. A very nice lens, for the
> purpose. I was particularly impressed with the
> speed and accuracy of the Oly's AF system and of it's IS system.
>
> Last year, I used the 80~200/f4 Vario-Elmar on a
> Canon 30D, and although I did OK, I got a far
> higher percentage of "keepers" with the AF system.
>
> >One thing I don't see is any indication of
> >speed? Yep I know they're probably going like a
> >ding-bat outta hell and they speak well of your
> >ability to hand focus and shoot and keep them
> >sharp. However….. "It's Speed Skating!" May I
> >ask why you wouldn't shoot some on the
> >straightaway doing a "swishy pan" as they blew by you?
>
> I didn't shoot any "swishy pans", as you like to
> call 'em, because I was trying to get the faces,
> for the club members. For this, you get the best
> shots as they come through the corners, as they
> have quite a lean - though that depends on their
> speed. Shots taken on the straight-away have
> little impression of speed, other than in a "swishy pan".
>
> >But then you know all this. And you did shoot a
> >few like it but they didn't quite work.
> >Right? Or you're saving them to blow everyone away!
>
> Sorry, Ted. No such shots on that day! :-( I
> have done "swishy pans" at the rodeo, but none of
> the speed skaters. Perhaps, next year!
>
> >Apart from that, they're a fine collection of
> >good photographs which I'd imagine would be a
> >few local sales by the competitors.
>
> Thanks! I liked 'em, too. Particularly the ones
> on the bottom row, in the falling show. (I was
> impressed that the snow did not affect the AF, at all!)
>
> > But dang that's outside in the dead of winter
> > and colder than a hooker's heart on a Saturday
> > night standing in the snow and wind! J It's all
> > yours mon ami, all yours! J No matter how good
> > the photos look it's still all yours!
>
> That's why they invented "long johns" and "shirt
> Johns" (which is what our 5 yr old grand-daughter calls a turtle-neck
> sweater)!
>
> >Naw I've done my time on winter sports, now if
> >they had speed skating in Hawaii? Please, do call. I'll be your
> assistant!
>
> Y'know, they do most speed skating indoors ... Hawaii is a possibility! :-)
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> Cheers!
>
> ---
>
> David Young,
> Logan Lake, CANADA
>
> Limited Edition Prints at: www.furnfeather.net
> Personal Web-site at: www.main.furnfeather.net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Speed Skating Photos...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:01:38 -0800
>
> David offered:
> >> Sad to say, Ted, but these were all hand-held, AF shots.... nearly all
> with the Olympus 50~200 f2.8-3.5 zoom. A very nice lens, for the purpose.
> I was particularly impressed with the speed and accuracy of the Oly's AF
> system and of it's IS system. <<<<
>
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'd not be saddened to say they were shot with auto-focus and certainly who
> cares they were hand held. If you were at the Olympics you'd only be hand
> holding or working off a monopod as tripods are not allowed at any
> international sport events. My goodness as we age and still want to enjoy
> "action photography" auto - focus is the only way to go ! Oh I know there's
> lots of the "I'd never use auto focus for anything crowd, let alone buy a
> camera that functions focusing by an automatic system." But they're fools!
> Pay them no heed for they know not what they're saying.
>
>
>
> OK maybe they're shooting rocks, ferns and non-breathing things and "manual
> only is fine." Having done my fair share of action, Professional football,
> hockey, baseball and a major number if international sports events I've
> become a great believer of auto focus simply because it's much faster than
> I
> could ever do manually. How did I learn this? By more years than I like to
> remember.
>
>
>
> Well having been a dyed in the wool "LEICA ONLY PHOTOGRAPHER FOR 58 years!"
> When the Canon EOS came out a friend of mine loaned me a couple of bodies
> and lenses to shoot some sports. All I have to say is. "Where I had great
> pride in my ability to follow focus extremely fast at any sport, manually
> with Leica 400mm and 560mm lens and the 800mm. Or any other, one wishes to
> offer.
>
>
>
> The Canon auto focus blew me away. Now that was right at the beginning of
> auto-focus when it wasn't as fast as some camera systems today. So my
> friend
> put any concerns you have about using auto focus cameras behind the out
> house shed. Quite simply because auto-focus makes life a far better shoot.
> This doesn't mean you will get far better photographs. It means you'll have
> a far greater number... "IN FOCUS!"
>
>
>
> >> Last year, I used the 80~200/f4 Vario-Elmar on a Canon 30D, and although
> I did OK, I got a far higher percentage of "keepers" with the AF system.<<<
>
> I don't doubt it for a second! The 80-200 is one of my favourite R Leica
> lenses as it cuts wide open like a new razor blade. But it's still not as
> fast in focusing because it's manual, regardless of the photog using it.
> Surely not as fast as a Canon EOS, whatever camera, digital or film.
>
>
>
> I'm now slowly switching Leica R8's and lenses to Canon SLR's and using
> auto
> focus, loving it like a kid in a candy shop! Does this mean I'm losing
> interest in Leica gear? Not really, I just wish they'd get their act
> together, once again they're 10 years behind every other manufacture in the
> world. And get a, without any crappy glitches auto everything camera out
> before I reach 100 years!" Now I'm at least being fair with them as I'm
> giving them a 20 year time frame lead at the moment. :-) If they don't have
> one by the 100th year I fear I'll have to go all Canon other than my M8!
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Dr. ted :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> David Young,
> Logan Lake, CANADA
>
> Limited Edition Prints at: <http://www.furnfeather.net/>
> www.furnfeather.net
> Personal Web-site at: <http://www.main.furnfeather.net/>
> www.main.furnfeather.net
>
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