Juan wrote: >I think David's points are well taken. When an expensive product one >owns goes out of production, there is bound to be some trepidation. >In this case, however, the demise of the DMR is inconsequential as >long as Leica remains committed to the R line. > >They will support (are not they bound by law to do so?) the DMR for a >number of years-- in the world of digital, many more years than the >current happy owners of DMRs will be using them. No matter how much >of a great picture-taking machine it is, it is a safe bet that almost >all of today's DMR users would have been using something else 5 years >from now anyway. THAT is the nature of the digital beast (it was not >at all the same with film cameras). > >As resale value is concerned, it is another safe bet it will keep it >much better than any other digital product. You cannot find a Contax >N digital for less than US 3000, while the Canon 1D is 1400 at KEH... And William Lamb said: > > Dream on. Another digital doorstop like the rest. Whether the DMRs hold their value or not, is inconsequential to me. I shoot about 5000 to 6000 photos a year. A roll of film, with processing, is about $20, or about 80 cents per photo. At 5000 shots per year, that's $4000 per year. In two years, I've saved $8000 over film costs, and the DMR did not cost me that. Now it's true, I spend some money on prints, but much less than you'd think. So, lets say I spend $500 per year on prints, and do the math. Two years film savings. $8000 less prints -1000 Savings =7000 Cost of DMR -6000 net savings -1000 and this assumes I throw the DMR away! Of course, if I hold off for a third year, the equation changes considerably! However, there is a more important aspect to this idea that DMR's might hold their value better than the average digital. Collector value. A friend of mine - an auctioneer and an expert in collectibles - once told me that the essence of collecting lies in scarcity. But there have to be "enough". For instance, if there is only one of something, it is not collectible. Because, if you want it, and the guy who has it does not wish to sell... game over. Barbie dolls are collectible, because although millions are made, there are tons of varieties where only a relatively small number are made. And most of those are played with by children, and damaged or destroyed. What's left become collectible. Old Comic books are the same... millions were printed, but most were destroyed by their readers and many of what were not were thrown away by mothers cleaning their college-aged kids rooms! Thus they are scarce (at least, in good to mint condition) but enough have survived to make them collectible. I don't know how many DMRs have been made, but my guess is under or near 3,000. I base this on the serial numbers I've seen, and the fact that only about 30,000 R8 & R9's are in active use. Only a fool would build one for every R8 & R9 and hope that every owner would buy one! Five to 15% would seem more logical. (It's this low number, over which to spread the development costs, that forced the relatively high price of the DMR.) Given their price, most will survive - because we will look after them. Some will fail, although that has not been a big problem, to date. Some will be damaged or destroyed in house fires, car crashes, accidental drops and floods (such as mine, flooded out in the Solms factory), etc. The remaining ones will still number enough that only a couple of thousand (at best) collectors will ever be able to have one. Scarce enough to be collectible ... not so scarce that you cannot get one, if you're willing to pay. The perfect formula for collectibility. The reason that other digital products become doorstops is simply because far too many are made... if you want one, you can get it at the flea market for $10! As they are discarded, and enter the landfills, eventually only a relatively few will remain... and at some future date, those units may become collectible. But, like the works of a dead artist, DMRs are becoming collectible - now. --- David Young, Logan Lake, CANADA Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/ Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/