Ted and Bob, I have a great love for B&W...or should I say "monochrome" to cover sepia and toned images, and read both your threads with enthusiasm! The anecdotal advice from Ted is priceless and ageless ~ I think most of today's digital snapshooters sadly tend to forget these elements of being a photographer. What I am talking about is the 'heart connection' with your subject. For that matter, does B&W tend to convey more of the *** feeling *** you had about the subject/scene, as opposed to color being just an accurate documentary of the scene? Or can color be used to evoke even stronger emotions, like fresh blood of injured teenagers in a drunken driving accident? I think it depends a great deal on the actual subject matter. If we are shooting Canadian geese and other birds, or macros of butterflies or flowers, why even think B&W? The good thing about the digital age is that one can 'cross process' post facto.....shoot either film or digital in color then desaturate in Photoshop, and play with the monochrome tonalities to your heart's content. When I was in my late teens / early spent 20's, I spent 2 years as a photojournalist shooting mostly documentary, sports and reportage B&W for the inside fotos of a magazine, and Ektachromes for the front cover. I remember how I used to shift gears to think differently when moving from one medium to the other. One had to not only consider the use of tonalities versus color harmony and contrasts, but also realize that slide film had little latitude while the B&W film was a lot more forgiving afterwards in the darkroom. Speaking of which, I would take the scent of women's perfume over acetic acid (stop bath) anyday Philippe....LOL! Well, back to B&W......How many of us actually have time to attempt the classic Ansel Adams-style landscapes, and regularly apply rigorous 'zone system' techniques that one can spend years trying to master during photography and in the darkroom (or using curves and histogram equalization, etc. on Photoshop)? Most of the time these days, I use a C-41 chemistry chromogenic film when I know for sure that the goal is a B&W image. However, I have enjoyed changing the look of an original color image by removing all color saturation and rendering it either a B&W or monochrome look. Somewhere online, some one teaches how to create a duotone look in Photoshop. At any rate, here are some of my Leica B&W's of people, and would be glad to hear the opinions from this thread. Here are 2 spontaneous/candid available light shots taken in '05 during a Tibetan Buddhist ceremony in Menlo Park, CA., with a collapsible Summicron 50/2 mounted on a Leica M3 DS. Film was Ilford XP-2. (You may have to copy and paste these links into your browser window): http://gallery.leica-users.org/ThirdEye/Blessings01Archive http://gallery.leica-users.org/ThirdEye/FH000005archive This next one was scanned from a slide then 'monochromed' in Photoshop: http://gallery.leica-users.org/Scenes-from-Beijing-and-Shanghai/Forward_Kick In contrast, I decided to leave this one in color due to the nice blue-on-foliage-green color contrasts which I think add mood (same park as prior image): http://stmaarten.globat.com/~afirkin.com/FinalGallery/source/2005fomn0757.htm Finally, this was a real B&W: http://gallery.leica-users.org/Scenes-from-Beijing-and-Shanghai/Good_Wine_Conversation_Web Comments, critiques, debates, opinions, war stories, history lessons....all welcome ;-) I think that B&W has the power to force us to focus on the Essential Symbolism of a visual image, whereas color tends to add a qualitative dimension that can potentially beautify the image as a whole, or augment its meaning or symbolism. B&W prints have an unequaled beauty in their own right, and given the same subject matter, it is much more difficult to create a fantastic B&W photo than a color one, IMHO. However, in the time that we ponder over B&W or color, film or digital, 35mm or 120, don't forget to just take the damn photo before the moment gets away! Ted, it is great to have you here on the thread! - Thanks for sharing your experiences. To me the greatest challenge in journalistic photography is capturing the elements of the human condition and focussing on something in the content/composition that forces the viewer to question, inquire, compel into action, etc.! ~ Eric Chan ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/