I think the only thing Leica I bought new was a microfibre lens cleaning cloth for $5. Everything else, both LTM (duh, how could I buy THAT new?) M and R is used. The closest I have to new would be an Elmar M 50/2.8, which I bought from a guy that had it from new for 6 months, so I have the box, bag, etc with that one. Everything else was used, but paid for at Nikon or Canon new prices! Noel __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr/lrflex.htm Archives are at: www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/