[LRflex] Re: Leica's latest figures - WAS



Steve Barbour wrote:


On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Philippe Amard wrote:

Thanks David
I knew most of it yet there are times I'd like to have an S2 of  course.
But I can't see myself carrying so much along (lb and U$ or kg and euros) on my trips.
A G1 sized camera would do nicely then such as here
http://tinyurl.com/nebtvh



a totally magnificent , beautiful,  technically correct image...

Thanks Steve

I don't know what it was shot with, nor do I want to know...

L1 as usual ;-)
When I wrote G1 I meant in terms of weight, bulk and money (I saved space and dough for the 17 boxes of wine, cider, calvados and champagne we brought back .. :-[ .).
Even the L1 is sometimes a pain, what of an S2 ...
However I wouldn't mind the G1 pixel count.


Somehow I'm thinking how silly and full of hubris we are, ie anyone is, who thinks their images are inherently so important, so valuable, so good, that they (the person and the images) are worthy of an S2...it all seems so/yes laughable...

If HCB did it with an M3, and we are all so clearly in a different league, how funny is it that we think if we had an S2, our images would be that much better, or more important...that we would be famous. Hey friends, let's get real.

Fame I don't want, I've had my share :-D
I shoot for MY pleasure, and I share because since I like seeing other people's views I presumptuously figure they might enjoy my trips too.

Yes, it makes me laugh, and no I haven't had a drop of alcohol...but with an S2, our images might be, in fact, more technically secure, more correct or even impressive, but they will be forgotten tomorrow, all the same, just as readily as yesterday's which were shot with whatever...


since it's not about the lens, or the box, it's about the eye...

it is about the lens Steve (not much distortion at this end of the zoom - no vignetting - hardly any flare - nice dog of a lens) it is about the box too (full auto iso , WB, AF, and exposure for a week without bothering - slight compensation sometimes, that's all) forgetting the gear - a photographer's dream - and from what I know HCB's practice which caused much ado to his tireurs ...

Yet you are right : it is all about the eye, the light, and timing, the rest is immaterial When shooting this portrait of an old castle, I thought of Ted, don't ask me why

Amitiés
Philippe

seems clear now...

tomorrow may be different.


Steve



Best from Metz
Amitiés
Philippe




David Young wrote:

Philippe wrote:

Thanks Douglas,

let them get a Digital R out and I break the piggy bank for them at once.
Listed my R8 on Ebay this morning BTW



Good Morning, Philippe!

You may have missed this, in reading the digests from when you were away, but Leica have cancelled all plans for the R line, offering only an "adequate solution" for using existing R glass on a digital camera, "eventually".

Their original plan was to build the S2, and then adapt it's technology to the mythical R10. However, in these hard times, the S2, itself, is proving to be a struggle. When it was envisioned, it was a marvellous idea ... compete with Mamiya, Hassy and other medium format cameras, with a camera no larger than a Nikon D3. It would save a photographer from having two systems - and, in the end, save him money. And it would impart a huge cachet to the consumer "R" line.

But, like all things Leica, it is now late to production and over budget. It is that over-budget problem which has forced the cancellation of the R10 and the delay of Leitz Park, in Wetzlar, by two years.

When they committed to it, the grand plan made sound financial sense. The economy was good and the idea, brilliant. They would show the world that, once again, Leica was an innovative company with superb engineering. (The reports I have, from those who've seen early units, say it is an amazing camera.)

But now that we are in recessionary times, I wonder how many photographers will turf their existing Hassy/Canon combinations to flock to Leica when they're having trouble making ends meet, like everybody else.

BTW, if you an LHSA member, and attending the Seattle convention this coming October, you'll be able to "borrow" an S2 for the measly sum of just $450 per day. Of course, if you actually purchase an S2, they'll apply the US$450 to the purchase price. (Very decent of them!) As of the other day, demand for trying the S2 was so strong that if you counted each "borrower" on the fingers of one hand, you'd still several fingers unaccounted for!

True, they can still book the S2 until the end of August, but this level of interest does not bode well for a firm which has "bet the farm" on the S2.

For myself. The S2 is simply beyond my financial capabilities ... no matter how much I save. The cancellation of the R line has me resigned to the fact that I will never own a Leica again. I will continue to use the Leica glass I have, on whatever bodies I can adapt it to, but it is unlikely that I will buy any more.

And, if most are like me, the future of Leica does not look good.

Cheers!

PS: Thanks, Douglas, for providing the info. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
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