[LRFlex] Re: Leica DMR

I'm sure that the quality of the Leica digital back
will exceed the competetion for several years. If a
second becomes available, I'm sure you could sell it
for a pretty penny.

--- David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Peter!
> 
> Hmmm... I'm apparently not making myself clear.  I
> agree, the Canon is good, but not a Leica, by any
> stretch.  Their glass, though I'm sure some is good,
> is not of Leica quality, either.
> 
> My point is one of economics.  I simply cannot
> afford to pay the price of DM-R for a product with a
> very short life cycle.  Improvements are being made
> every year to 18 months. Significant improvements.
> The DM-R Mark II will be better than the present
> version, I have no fear.
> 
> All of this is why I will spring for a Leica digital
> back/slr at some point when I can see my investiment
> lasting many, many years, as it does with Leica film
> bodies.  
> 
> In the meantime, my budget dictates Canon bodies,
> which produce better results with Leica glass in
> front of them than with the Canon glass they come
> with. At least, that's my impression, so far.
> 
> If, as people say, the Canon bodies will expire in a
> few years (and I believe them... Rose's Pentax body
> died after 5 years of light service), it's OK, as I
> will then buy the later, improved version.  I can do
> this several times for the price of the DMR.
> 
> Actually, it's all rather sad, for I'd love a DM-R,
> but simply cannot afford (or justify) it at this
> point in digital's developement.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David.
> 
> 
> 
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> 
> On 08/06/2005 at 10:18 PM Peter M.C. Werner wrote:
> 
> >David,
> >
> >> As I stated earlier, other than the joy of using
> a body that is
> >superbly
> >> crafted, the essence of Leica photography is in
> the lenses... the
> >LeiCanon
> >> option allows for the quality of photography
> Leica users exepect.
> >
> >Allow me to disagree.
> >
> >The results will not be the same at least in terms
> of color rendition
> >and noise; the DMR and the 20D are quite different
> in that respect.
> >Why use Leica glass at all?
> >Can you really tell the difference?
> >
> >Ask a convinced Canon user and he will tell you we
> Leica users are just
> >talking nonsense. Be honest and admit you do not
> want to invest  the
> >money needed for Leica equipment and that second
> best has to be good
> >enough. After all, it is the photographer, not the
> gear.... You can make
> >excellent photos even with $500 digicams.
> >
> >Canon gear (including Canon lenses) is excellent,
> there is no shame in
> >it. Just do not pretend there is no difference with
> Leica.
> >
> >Peter Werner
> >www.leicaphoto.net
> >Route. de l'Etraz 2 - 1183 Bursins - Switzerland
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: leicareflex-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:leicareflex-
> >> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 21:21
> >> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [LRFlex] Re: Leica DMR
> >>
> >> Karen:
> >>
> >> I don't think anybody (certainly, not me) is
> arguing that the 20D is
> >> anywhere near the build quality of any Leica.
> >>
> >> However, in the fast changing world of digital,
> if my 20D lasts 5
> >years, I
> >> can buy an improved replacement.  And if that
> camera dies in 5 more
> >years,
> >> I can buy an improved replacement and I'll have
> still spent less than
> >a
> >> DM-R.
> >>
> >> The ONLY problem with the DMR is not it's
> longevity. In fact, that is
> >most
> >> likely it's worst feature, given the rapidly
> changing digital scene.
> >>
> >> As digital matures, I will eventually invest in
> an R11 digi-body - if
> >such
> >> a thing is ever made.  But I cannot afford to
> support Leica at their
> >> current prices and with the current short product
> life cycles.
> >>
> >> As I stated earlier, other than the joy of using
> a body that is
> >superbly
> >> crafted, the essence of Leica photography is in
> the lenses... the
> >LeiCanon
> >> option allows for the quality of photography
> Leica users exepect.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> David.
> >>
> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >>
> >> On 08/06/2005 at 9:09 AM Karen Nakamura wrote:
> >>
> >> >>  > ... the 20D comes **very** close at 1/4 the
> price
> >> >>
> >> >>No disputing the value represented by the 20D
> but this begs the
> >> >>question.... hasn't Leica always been a premium
> brand?  Haven't
> >> >>there always been lower-cost alternatives
> delivering good quality?
> >> >>It appears that to many on this list the 20D's
> performance is good
> >> >>enough - so why have you used Leica before? 
> Were the lower-cost
> >> >>film cameras not good enough?
> >> >
> >> >Doug -
> >> >
> >> >I agree!  Were we having this discussion ten
> years ago? I could
> >> >imagine:   "I could buy a EOS Rebel for $200 at
> Walmart. Why should I
> >> >buy a Leica R6.2? It can't even do auto-focus. 
> I can use all my R-
> >> >lens on my Rebel with an adapter."
> >> >
> >> >The 20D isn't a Rebel, but it isn't even an
> EOS-3, it's about an
> >> >EOS-5 or EOS-7 in build quality.
> >> >
> >> >The proper comparison with the R9/DMR is the
> Canon EOS 1D Mark II.
> >> >Similar crop factor, similar size, and similar
> build quality, and not
> >> >that different in price.
> >> >
> >> >Karen
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Karen Nakamura
> >> >http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/
> >> >http://www.photoethnography.com/blog/
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> >> David Young,
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> >> CANADA.
> >>
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