[LRflex] Re: Le Fou de Robert

Bob:

I agree.   In fact the finished print displays pretty much the same crop you 
suggested.

This is almost full frame for "us guys (ladies included)" to discuss.  there 
have been a few others (mostly landscape/nature) that also came out well.

But the caveat on really good images from digicams is that they seem to behave 
a lot like my T2; it's really an outdoor, sunny 16 camera.

Regards,

Bob
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: bob palmieri <rpalmier@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Robert -
> 
> I like this snap quite a bit..  Many things add up in a very good way  
> (including colors).  The thighs and water glass don't seem to help  
> much, and in fact kindof loom largely in the foreground so I'd  
> probably crop them out in order to help the viewers' eyes go straight  
> to what seems to me to be the graceful and valuable visual elements.
> 
> This business of detail, like so many other properties, is either  
> appropriate for the image or not, and in this case seems just fine.
> 
> Bob Palmieri
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:20 PM, rsphotoimages@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> > Mea Culpa, Everyone!!!
> >
> > Had a Senior Moment and forgot about the "NO PIX" rule on this here  
> > forum.
> >
> > Go HERE:     http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5006068
> >
> > WARNING:  It's candid portrait of the client's 80+ year old maman,  
> > so just look at the detail, color, light in terms of what you can  
> > produce out of a 5 Mp digicam if things Go right.  The original JPG  
> > file is a bit over 1.5 Megs.  Anybody can do this or better.
> >
> > This particular Large JPG file printed really well on Epson 8.5x11  
> > inch Enhanced Matte Archive Paper with minimal (Auto Contrast,  
> > Crop, Size).  My favorite paper for Presentation Proofs of  
> > portraits or landscapes.
> >
> > Thanks to all.
> >
> > Bo The Seattle Guy
> >
> >
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Philippe Amard <phamard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Salut Robert de Seattle!
> >> attached file is missing and this is why :
> >>
> >> -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis --
> >> -- Type: image/jpeg
> >> -- File: G5 Portrait.JPG
> >>
> >> As I found what you wrote quite enlightening I sure would like to  
> >> see the
> >> portrait.
> >> Perhaps you could post it on some site such as the Leica Users  
> >> Gallery or other,
> >> and give us the pointer?
> >>
> >> Thaks in anticipation
> >> Yours
> >> Phileicangenieux.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> rsphotoimages@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bille:
> >>> I too own a Canon G5.
> >>>
> >>> I like it.  It's a keeper until it breaks, which it surely will.   
> >>> Just a matter
> >> of time.  So what?
> >>>
> >>> It is fraught with limitations, but so is a Space Shuttle.
> >>>
> >>> It was my first digital purchase, two years ago.  I held out for  
> >>> a long time
> >> until I saw something like a range finder design that was not  
> >> totally plastic.
> >> Sort of a digital M5 wannabe with flaws.  But at least it was in a  
> >> black metal
> >> body.
> >>>
> >>> Even at "only" 5 Mpixels, it has yielded some remarkable results,  
> >>> as long as I
> >> stay between ISO 50 and 100, only shoot Large JPEG, forget about  
> >> action shots or
> >> indoor dark flash pix, etc. etc.
> >>>
> >>> But properly used, it has been a very satisfying "utility camera"  
> >>> that now and
> >> then amazes me.
> >>>
> >>> It aint no Leica; for "serious stuff", its always the R8 or R9,  
> >>> or maybe my
> >> remarkable little Contax T2.
> >>>
> >>> But I  would NEVER discourage anyone from buying a digicam; they  
> >>> are fun,
> >> useful and great educational tools for film photographers to brush  
> >> up their
> >> Basic Photography skills.  Guys like me.
> >>>
> >>> In fact, I never order prints off my R8/9 neg film any more.
> >>>
> >>> I have my stuff commercially processed and scanned to high  
> >>> resolution disk for
> >> work in Photoshop Elements for Mac so I can digitally print at  
> >> home then select
> >> the shots that I want "wet" printed.  Works for me and less costly  
> >> than printing
> >> every frame of every roll.
> >>>
> >>> The CD becomes a sort of "Digital Proof Sheet", si vous voulez.
> >>>
> >>> I shot a candid portrait on request last year with the G5;  
> >>> example attached
> >> (ISO 100, hand held, indoor, available light).  This image easily  
> >> went to 8x10
> >> and printed  beautifully...).  I rest my case.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Robert en Seattle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>> From: "Bille Xavier F." <hot_billexf@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Bob,
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed, it was a little provocative. Probably, looking at EXIF  
> >>>> data, you
> >>>> found that it was actually a 2 MP image. It was even more  
> >>>> provocative since
> >>>> te file was 2.7 M bytes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob I'm gald of your reaction, it is very interesting. There are  
> >>>> a lot of
> >>>> unknown to me in this dugital world. And it's far more complex  
> >>>> than a normal
> >>>> consumer like you and I may grab. No Pun inteded, I'm far more  
> >>>> ignorant than
> >>>> you although my job is IT Engineer (in a very different field :))
> >>>>
> >>>> When David showed me his pix on the DMR screen, I realised there  
> >>>> was a
> >>>> tremendous step forward compared to film. The possibilty to give  
> >>>> the sensor
> >>>> a set of paameters to match all the different lighting  
> >>>> condition, going from
> >>>> 100 ISO to 3200 ISO in a simple push button, going from  
> >>>> nightscene to bright
> >>>> sunshine easily.
> >>>>
> >>>> And your Canon has all this as well. The little Powershot I have  
> >>>> ordered
> >>>> while waiting for the R10 is a Canon, with the same essence as  
> >>>> your Canon.
> >>>> Lesser quality results, probably. You are right to despise it,  
> >>>> but to show
> >>>> pix to friends, it's enough.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm indeed joining your view, "it will do until later" except I  
> >>>> put more
> >>>> "love" to my R7 and the fuji Provia 100 ISO than in a Digital.  
> >>>> But please do
> >>>> not not consider me as hopeless, wait a little....
> >>>>
> >>>> What does the difference is the geometry and absolute lack of  
> >>>> distorsion
> >>>> from the Leica R lenses. Of course, it takes days to scan a  
> >>>> slide but in
> >>>> fact I can't stand those barrel/convex distorsion.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I take a pix with the Elmarit 24 (although sometimes  
> >>>> despised), the pix
> >>>> looks OK (provided I have not made mistakes). Same applies to  
> >>>> the Sa 21.
> >>>> When I take a pix with the Canon G5, for a friend in India,  
> >>>> Mamma Mia....
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I follow your feeling. I am waiting for a R10 with a 1.3  
> >>>> factor. It may
> >>>> not even come. But that"s what I like. And if the M8 is a  
> >>>> possible answer,
> >>>> I'll keep my clumsy settings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks again Bob for your strong point exposed with an ultimate  
> >>>> diplomacy.
> >>>> It is very delicate and constructive. In fact, I adhere to all your
> >>>> conclusions. Keep on.
> >>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>> Xavier F. BILLE
> >>>> Maisons-Alfort - France.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: bob palmieri <rpalmier@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Reply-To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Non Leica, Digital Wanderings, The R10  
> >>>>> tha I dream
> >>>>> of.
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:18:14 -0500
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Bille Xavier F. wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Here is another one:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://xavierf.b.free.fr/Temp/Buffet.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Surprising, eh?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---> Given the tremendous possibilities of this little Point and
> >>>>>> shoot,
> >>>>>> given to see what a simple old digital camera can do,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Xavier -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for putting forth this provocative and courageous position.
> >>>>> Here's what I think you like about the camera: it's small, easy to
> >>>>> snap with and inexpensive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I think you like about the pictures is that they seem  
> >>>>> sharp (and
> >>>>> reasonably well illuminated and exposed.)  I feel that you're very
> >>>>> much on the mark with using computer monitor display as one of the
> >>>>> main criteria in making your point, because the sharpness  
> >>>>> impression
> >>>>> (in the tableshot), I believe, is partially a result of 1:1 pixel
> >>>>> mapping. In other display forms this machine might not bite the  
> >>>>> eye
> >>>>> the same way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But your pictures also exemplify some of the things I can't  
> >>>>> tolerate
> >>>>> about these little marvels, especially all the distortion in the
> >>>>> tableshot, and the fact that the thing probably snapped the  
> >>>>> picture
> >>>>> later than you intended in the shot with the dancer's arm on the
> >>>>> right side of the photo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And in fact, it is the "everything in focus" small-sensor thing  
> >>>>> which
> >>>>> also drives me nuts sometimes when I'm trying to get the image to
> >>>>> look a lot less busy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I gotta tellya that as a guy who just LUVS small, light, and
> >>>>> inexpensive gear, I bought a sorta high-end small (not quite  
> >>>>> pocket-
> >>>>> size) digisnapper a couple of years ago and HATED it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I've taken the opposite approach to your small-supplement- 
> >>>>> to-the-
> >>>>> serious-snapper-solution and just taken to hauling around my  
> >>>>> 20D as a
> >>>>> one-box compromise instead.  It's not nearly as small as a digicam
> >>>>> and won't produce the big-time results that the DMR will under  
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> circumstances but it's the way for me at the moment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob Palmieri
> >>>>>
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