[LRflex] Re: LEICA R4 AND R8 (with a request for Doug).
- From: Steve Barbour <kididdoc@xxxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:23:08 -0700
On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:27 AM, David Young wrote:
> At 06/12/2006, you wrote:
>> Dear Leica friends;
>>
>> Let me introduce myself a little bit (sorry for my english not too
>> good) , my complete name and surname is
>> Jose Angel Bermell, 41 years old, living and born in Valencia, Spain.
>> Main hobby : Keep in good conditions many photo cameras that I have,
>> amongst them one black Leica R8
>> in mint condition with a Vario Elmar 28-70 and a Vario Elmar 80-200.
>> Not far away I have decided to purchase a Leica R4s not received yet
>> with serial number 1654409 made in
>> 1984 or may be 1985, I paid for these camera 250 Euro plus 20 of
>> shipping to Valencia, the camera
>> was purchased on ebay.
>> With regard to Leica R8, I've bought it during year 2,000 with the
>> Vario Elmar 28-70 and I have paid
>> near about 3,000 Euro, now with the digital trends in the market,
>> (and despite of the possibility to
>> use digital back) in the second hand market could be possibly find
>> one Leica R8 at good price
>> 1,200-1500 Euro.
>>
>> 1) Someone can help me where can I find a good report of these
>> cameras inside internet ?
>> What is your opinion about the Vario Elmar 28-70 and 80-800 may be
>> manufactured by
>> Kyocera or Sigma ????? in Japan
>> 2) Is there any significant quality between Leica R4s made in
>> Wetzlar or these R4 which
>> were made in Portugal ????
>> 3) The quality of ROM lenses is better than not ROM lenses ???
>
> Good Morning, Jose!
>
> Welcome to the zoo! You'll find this a great group. We are a polite,
> friendly lot. And if you have any questions, you'll find a lot of
> experience and expertise here, as well as a great willingness to help.
>
> As for your questions...
>
> One of our members, Doug Herr (www.wildlifephoto.com)
errrr....
Doug's url for leica R...
http://www.wildlightphoto.com/LeicaReflex/
Steve
> is a marvellous
> photographer. He also keeps a superb compilation of Leica
> specifications and reviews.
>
> Doug: Will you be so kind as to email Jose, privately, with your
> site address and a password? Thanks.
>
> 1) The 80~200/f4 Vario Elmar is one of the best zoom lenses,
> anywhere, and will rival the best fixed focal length lenses for
> optical quality. I have one, and it is my most used lens (on an R8
> with DMR). It is built, as you say, by Kyocera, but was 100%
> designed by Leica, and I cannot tell it apart from any other Leica
> lens I have, whether built in Germany or Canada.
>
> I understand that the 28~80 Vario was designed and built by Sigma,
> but at least some of the mechanical parts are not the same as those
> in their Sigma-branded version. The Leica-branded versions were 100%
> quality checked by Leica, in Germany, prior to shipment. Some people
> say they are as good as any Leica lens... others say not. I have not
> used (or even seen) one, so I will ask others on the list to chime in
> - especially if they own or owned one. Owners?
>
> 2) In terms of quality of manufacture... no. However, the R4 was
> based on a Minolta design and it suffered some problems with its
> electronics. The R4S was a simplified version and has proved to be
> very reliable. You've most likely made a very good choice.
>
> 3) There is no difference between the ROM and non-ROM lenses, in
> either mechanical or optical quality. Most 2 cam or 3 cam lenses can
> have the ROM added. Curiously, one of the very few lenses which
> Leica maintain cannot be retrofitted with a ROM is the 80~200/4
> Vario. Yet, one of our members, Doug Herr, did it himself!
>
> Lastly:
>
> As I said, the R4s was a simplified version of the R4 having only the
> Manual and Aperture Priority settings. However, it proved to be a
> more reliable camera than the original R4. Produced from 1983 to
> 1985, in included all the features of the R4 except the 'P' and 'T'
> modes, and was available only in Black Chrome. While I do not have an
> instruction book specifically for the R4S, an instruction book for
> the R4 can be downloaded, for free, from my site. See:
> http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/ and then click on Leica Instruction
> Books.
>
> Once again... Welcome!
>
> Cheers!
>
> The Zookeeper.
> ---
>
> David Young,
> Logan Lake, CANADA
>
> Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
> Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>
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