[LRflex] Re: IMPORTANT: Re: DMR Support, all together now. please read

Thanks Bill..

Elliot
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Subject: [LRflex] Re: IMPORTANT: Re: DMR Support, all together now. please 
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> Eliot,
>
> Yes, I'm very confident that "an R10 prototype" literally is in
> testing, somewhere, but I know not where.
>
> Forgive me, I was speaking metaphorically, because to me, for all
> practical purposes, the DMR/R8 & R9 combos were always a clever kluge
> (to use a technical term), using the available end-point of Leica's
> film reflex camera development, as a purely stopgap product and as a
> prototype of a new, "from the ground-up," digital reflex camera, the
> fabled R10. Or will it be RX?
>
> Buying a DMR was simply a bet on my part on what was to come. And it
> still is just a bet, but getting to be a bit better as we go along.
>
> The ante was pretty high, but it was roughly comparable to an entire
> swap out to a different line of camera and lenses, and I was able to
> retain the familiarity and experience with the Leica user interface
> that I had become accustomed to, not an inconsequential item to me.
>
> All of those "other" lines had unknown futures at the time as well.
> Let's just say it was one of those times when I said to myself,
> "Self, you never spent a dime on golf in your life. Considering the
> money you've saved, what are you waiting for now?"
>
> I don't know how Leica internally regarded its DMR... but I cannot
> imagine it was ever regarded by them as a block-buster product
> destined to achieve universal acclaim and reach the status of the M3.
>
> Frankly, I bought my DMR in contrast to buying a competitive digital
> camera because of my 30 years of pleasure with an R4, an R7, and my R
> lenses, and as my best alternative to gain experience in high-end
> digital photography, just as I bought my first Apple II+ 64 K RAM
> computer in 1980. I learned a lot from both of them and have no
> regrets. Onward and upward,
>
> With all best wishes,
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Dr. Elliot Puritz wrote:
>
> Do I understand Bill that an R10 prototype is already in the testing
> stages?
>
> Elliot
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> From: "William Abbott" <wbabbott3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:58 PM
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: IMPORTANT: Re: DMR Support, all together now.
> please
> read
>
>
>> Dear Mehrdad,
>>
>> Thanks. When a door closes behind you, another door opens in front of
>> you.
>>
>> I believe I have just been inducted into the Ancient and Honorable
>> Society of Leica R10 Prototype Testers, with all the rights, duties,
>> and privileges pertaining thereto.
>>
>> As ever,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:10 AM, mehrdad wrote:
>>
>> ok here is a link to rob galbraith's site
>>
>> http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8736-8825
>>
>> looks like DMR is done.i still want the 1.3
>>
>> On 2/4/07, drpuritz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <drpuritz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> As always, thanks for the detailed and informative reply David.
>>>
>>> Elliot
>>>>
>>>> From: David Young <telyt@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 2007/02/04 Sun PM 12:41:06 EST
>>>> To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: IMPORTANT: Re: DMR Support, all together now.
>>>>   please read
>>>>
>>>> Elliot wrote:
>>>>> I'd be interested to hear from all of the very accomplished and
>>>>> pleased DMR users.
>>>>> Now I wonder about the R10.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an aside, I am visiting family in Boston and I stopped in at
>>>>> Newtonville Camera, one of my favorite
>>>>> "old time" photo stores.  Interesting to know that they are sold
>>>>> out
>>>>> of M8 cameras, with no more
>>>>> expected until April.  Also, no DMR modules in stock, or on the
>>>>> horizon.
>>>> Hi Elliot!
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned to Mehrdad, the DMR is a fine picture making machine,
>>>> even with it's existing firmware.  Just yesterday, while
>>>> photographing the Polarthon (3km speed skate, 4 km run, 5km X-
>>>> country
>>>> ski) a photojournalism student, at nearby Three Rivers University,
>>>> looked at the back panel of my DMR and exclaimed "Wow! I wish I
>>>> could
>>>> get colours like that with my Nikon ! "
>>>>
>>>> And, as mentioned in my earlier post, the DMRs remain available.
>>>> However, few dealers are keen to stock it, as sales are slow.
>>>> Still,
>>>> they can order them.  (There have been stories about dealers who did
>>>> not support Leica with the DMR finding themselves "low on the totem
>>>> pole", for M8 deliveries.  While this is a common practice in
>>>> business, I have no way of knowing if it is true.)
>>>>
>>>> You need not wonder about the R10.  Leica's intention is to build
>>>> both hardware and firmware for the R10 so that they avoid exactly
>>>> the
>>>> problems they are apparently having with Imacon.  No company can
>>>> afford to be "held hostage" to another, as Leica are to Imacon,
>>>> for the DMR.
>>>>
>>>> As previously mentioned, Leica are building up their "in house"
>>>> expertise, for firmware, and now write their own code for their
>>>> PanaLeicas.  However, at this point, they do not have the expertise
>>>> to write firmware for the M8 or DMR.  They plan on having this in
>>>> place for the R10.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, rumours (and only rumours) have it that this is why the
>>>> Sinar purchase fell through.  Leica thought they were getting
>>>> Jenoptik's software group as part of the Sinar deal.  Jenoptik
>>>> thought otherwise.  Had Leica got what they wanted, I'm pretty sure
>>>> Leica would have offered lenses for Sinars - especially the Sinar-M
>>>> and Sinar Hy6 (http://tinyurl.com/yp6pvo).  Purchasing Jenoptik's
>>>> software group (who wrote the M8's firmware) would have quickly put
>>>> them firmly in the digital game.  Alas; that, it seems, was not to
>>>> be.
>>>>
>>>> As for the M8 ... well, despite it's problems (banding - cured by a
>>>> recall; IR sensitivity - cured by filters; and noise - more noise at
>>>> high ISO's than the DMR, it seems) it's initial, sold-out shipment
>>>> totaled more units than I understand they've sold DMRs to date!  The
>>>> M8 will, it seems, save Leica.  However, to be "a player" in the
>>>> camera business, they must have a dSLR which works - and works very,
>>>> very well.  The R10 is intended to be that camera. Short of the
>>>> financial collapse of Leica (now not too likely, with ACM's
>>>> ownership
>>>> and the success of the M8), I think the future of the R10 is
>>>> assured.
>>>>
>>>> In ACM, they have an owner with the deep pockets required to make it
>>>> happen. In Steven Lee, they have a CEO capable of making it happen.
>>>>
>>>> Will it happen?  Only time will tell.  But, I hope so.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> David Young,
>>>> Logan Lake, CANADA
>>>>
>>>> Wildlife Photographs: http://www.telyt.com/
>>>> Personal Web-pages: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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