[LRflex] Re: Houston - Irescolor - All


On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:37 AM, AMARD philippe wrote:




On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:49:10 -0700
Steve Barbour wrote:
>
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:19 AM, AMARD philippe wrote:
>
>> All,
>> Here are just a few remarks and thoughts, calling for
>>reactions, but
>> certainly not meant to get into polemics, at all.
>>
>> I've read Linda's posts, and viewed her photos.
>> I've also answered her on and off list, and read all
>>your answers.
>> If I may be honest, what I feel is that we are all
>>uneasy with her
>> contributions, and certainly with her questions.
>> I do hope you won't resent my post, Linda.
>>
>> As a preamble, let's mark that Linda is the only one
>>photographer on
>> this list who posts portraits that are deliberately
>>posed in the old
>> photographic tradition. And so doing she pushes most of
>>us, who in
>> the Leica tradition prefer unstaged and caught live
>>"snaps", to
>> (re?)consider what the "art" or "trade" is about.
>> This in my opinion is a great contribution to the list.
>>And she does
>> put the stakes very high with her expectations. Can we
>>deliver?
>>
>> Maybe I am wrong but I feel this is where we also
>>collectively run
>> the risk of leading Linda in a direction she initially
>>did not
>> intend to take - sort of formatting to conform a
>>majority.
>> Mind you, I'm part of that process, knowingly, yet
>>unwillingly.
>>
>> I find a lot of potential in her endeavour, and she's
>>lucky enough
>> to have models. At least, I wish I was that lucky. Yet,
>>I am at a
>> loss, everyone has their limitations, when it comes to
>>really
>> helping her develop in HER direction. And my message is
>>more a call
>> for help than anything else.
>
> but let's stop here and ask again...what are Linda's
>portraits for?
>
> are they for us? are they very fine passport photos?
> are they to be framed portraits for the family piano?
>
> are they for a book? are they for a job? what kind of
>job?
>
> and on and on....
>
> only Linda can answer...once she finds the answer, at
>least part of a solution will begin to emerge...
>
>
> in the meantime, one book I strongly recomend is An
>Inner Silence... Portraits by HCB...
HCB is not famous for his posed portraits Steve, rather for stolen snaps. But you might be right as I don't know this book.
a wonderful book Philippe...and of course not posed in the customary sense.
these portraits arguably tell us something/(a lot) of the real person...
but then if a portrait is posed, it is because the subject or the photographer is trying to tell us something... 

so returning to the questions...

what and why ?


Steve
Else you're pushing her towards what I described as the Leica tradition. (cf supra to assess what I consider the risks of doing so). Think also of how Kyle developed in a completely different form of portraits, whatever the environment. 
Amitiés
Phx



>
>
> thanks Linda for without a doubt, raising these
>important questions in everyone's mind, Steve
>
>
>>
>> Should she have a look at ancient photographs?
>> Should she stop using PS?
>> Should she select more? And along which criteria?
>> These questions have been answered, in part. Yet, have
>>we
>> reconsidered our standards when answering?
>>
>> More interestingly, are these the answers she needs to
>>expand and
>> improve on a personal plane?
>> I mean, Linda is seeking friendly advice OK, and I feel
>>somewhat
>> frustrated that I can't provide her with more valuable
>>insight than
>> "this works for me", or "that doesn't".
>> Why? mainly for fear of her losing her personal
>>potential, and
>> photographic soul.
>>
>> This may all seem confused and confusing. Sorry if it is
>>so.
>> Thanks for your kind attention and answers.
>>
>> Over to you fellow listers.
>> Philippe, the happy Sunday snapper in rainy Strasbourg.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:30:42 +0100
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Chris,
>> >
>> > Do these catch the soul better?
>> >
>> > http://fotos.designing.be/Iresagedcolor/
>> >
>> > Is it about laughing...?
>> >
>> > Yours sincerely
>> >
>> > Linda
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Chris L
>> > To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:00 PM
>> > Subject: [LRflex] Re: Irescolor
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Linda,
>> >
>> > I am new to this list and don't know the accepted
>> >conventions and behaviour here:
>> >
>> >
>> > I hope that if I criticise your pictures, it won’t be
>> >taken amiss or, worse, that I’ll not be considered a
>> >pariah! But you are asking for feedback…
>> >
>> > The pictures of the young woman: I find them
>> >technically very well done, well lit and so on....
>> >
>> > But what is the purpose of those pictures? They
>> >generally don't catch the character or the soul of the
>> >subject. If they are meant to be glamorous, in several
>> >she has expressions which don't show her at her best.
>> >
>> > My main observation/criticism is, what are you trying
>> >to say with these photos?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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