In Germany, if you live in/near a largish city, look at the localVolkshochschüle offerings. The one where I live still offers courses dedicated to analogue & B&W photography. I love the 19mm second version, but it's not cheap, even used. Chris ________________________________ From: Kevin Willey <kevinwilley@xxxxxx> Question: are any of you aware of a specially recognized BW film workshop? I'd like to shoot my Hasselblad 500CM and my Leica R8. Obviously, I want to avoid a class full of Canon/Nikon/Sony full frame digital shooters based upon my assumption that I will be much, much slower than them because of the different formats and automation. So, I will scour the internet for a BW film shooting trip/workshop. But I thought I would bounce this off you pros as well. PS: looking for a recommendation on a wide angle R-lens? Will likely buy off eBay. Erwin Puts is not too enthusiastic about the R Elmarit F2.8/24mm compared to other Leica lens.